Animal Communicator Near Me With Dr. Gail Lash – Tourism For Peace

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welcome to intrinsic motivation from a homies perspective podcast where we meet experts from all walks of life to learn their intrinsic motivations so that they can share it with the world what do we have in store today stay tuned to find out more good morning good evening good afternoon everybody out there in podcast land is intrinsic motivation from a homies perspective I am Hamza and I am David and today we have a good friend at dr. Gail lash and I know her from horizon by way back and own I think I first met her or met you Gail but let me give everyone your credentials so they are more familiar with you as well Gail is known as a peace Explorer she’s also the author of up for peace nine essential steps for to achieving peace power and prosperity key her formal background is at gig universities he worked as a biologist with the Lemur facility he’s been a zookeeper has over 20 years experience working with Dean’s aquarium school other organizations she is the official placement of P and she’s created P sparks and she has world trips around the world you guys are in for a treat without further ado dr. Gail laughs welcome to the podcast welcome I’m so happy to be here it’s great to see you honza and David or talk with you area oh my goodness so we have lots to talk about let’s talk about peace yes talk about eat well let’s just talk about pedigree at first because you know we speak with people all over and I was really interested in interviewing you just because I know you so well and I always am open to learning new information with you always bring and I love your background because in my former life is well corporate we designed animal facilities so we did a lot of animal research and just educating the public as opposed to going places throwing paint on people for wearing fur coats and such oh that’s totally different world back then and when I started horizon I think you you were already ahead of me and we both taken some Jim self classes I know you’ve taken extensive classes I want to cover that as well so let’s just let’s go back let’s start with Duke University your your animal background and how it led you to the tourism puppy well it’s interesting to use the word pedigree because at Duke actually I was studying animal behavior I was a zoologist major and zoology major and and there was this gentleman who had just come back from Madagascar studying lemurs and Duke did have and still does actually have the largest lemur facility in the world where they really study lemurs which are a pro simian a pre primate only exists on the island of Madagascar off the east coast of Africa and so it’s a wonderful resource to do research on lemurs and I was doing that and he came in from Madagascar he was working on his graduate degree and he brought back these little dogs that are white fluffy dogs they have hair like cotton it’s very dry no oils they’re about 15 pounds or so called the coton de Tulear tule or is a city in madagascar and cotton means cotton and french and he brought these in to the United States and because he was there for a couple years he loved fell in love with the dog it is the Royal dog of Madagascar and it’s on a stamp it’s only the only the people of the royalty were allowed to own this dog and and of course Madagascar in years past was a kings and queens as lineages so only the the royal courts were allowed to own the breed and then when it became a French colony of course all the French land owners and and politicians etc brought the dog to Europe and then this gentleman J Russell brought it to the United States so so I I met the dog there and I met J there started dating him after I finished dating him I actually had a dog that’s okay dropped the man kept the dog you know but but it was a great relationship so actually I’ve been breeding coton de tulear dogs my husband and I for almost 40 years oh my god telling my age but nevertheless and it’s they’re just a wonderful there in the Bichon family so they look kind of like a Bichon Frise with short hair so that’s a that’s a long story but pedigree you know very familiar with that as a biologist and an animal behaviorist still in love with wildlife as a kid when I used to go around to our little neighborhood pond and just sit and feed the ducks and commune with the nature and the talk to the trees and the animals and I know we’ll get into some that spiritual stuff in a minute but that sent me on a on a path of being a biologist and you know being a biologist when you go out there and with a degree in biology what do you do with it is a big question so I had always wanted to work in zoos but to get into a zoo actually is quite difficult I grew up in Houston Texas and the Houston Zoo is a really nice zoo you had to take a you know get on a waiting list to be interviewed and then volunteer for awhile and I did but in the mean time before they were hiring before a new job would come open and I was able to get a job there I worked at MD Anderson hospital which is in Houston that the premier Cancer Institute Hospital as a pharmacy technician I walked in just fresh out of Duke University and they said oh you have a biology degree we can teach you how to be a pharmacy tech oh so that was that was an interesting time to work there in various units of the hospital learning about pharmaceuticals and healing from the you know allopathic medical profession and then I did get the job at the zoo so that was that was a lot of fun how I want to ask you MD Anderson was a former client of mine and it was just really interesting a brief story is that like he said it’s the premier cancer research and petition world and people would fly all over the world to get there and I remember one morning we were meeting you know meeting with some execs or whatever and we’re at the hotel and we’re waiting for valet to bring the car around and they had a brief strip where people would actually you know kind of just sit and wait for their car or walk the trade building and it was just always interesting to watch some of these people who had just undergone cancer surgery and yet they were still standing on that path smoking and I was just wondering with you with your you know understanding animal behavior understanding human behavior or spirituality so on and so forth did you what was your experience at MD Anderson and and that’s pretty a deccan grown to a cushy job so sounds like you were really into the whole animal behavior working with the zoos whereas others may have just stayed it and being Anderson we may have never met you’re correct you know it’s interesting because that whole medical hospital facilities the Houston Medical Center is huge and and certainly is not just MD Anderson it’s many many other hospitals together with many different specialties and as a kid I had gone there because I have scoliosis and had to have rods put in my back with a fused vertebrae and the person who actually invented the rods to cure not cure but to alleviate scoliosis with dr. Harrington and he was based at the Houston Medical Center so those those amazing I mean it’s an amazing medical facility but you know we all have our human behavior what can I say it’s we get roped into habits that we we each are really comfortable with and so you know you mentioned smoking outside if they’ve just had coming out from having cancer treatment and suddenly revert back to these human behaviors that we we all feel comfortable but but obviously it’s about starting something new that’s that’s the opportunity of any illness if you will is to to say okay what’s working what’s not and how I modified my life and maybe be a little bit different and so when you got the call back that you were you are able to work at the zoo what was it what were you thinking as far as if this is my destiny I’m supposed to I always loved animals and the child this is where I’m going to go whereas you know your parents maybe your friends may have been what do you what are you thinking aren’t you staying at the Edison let’s go if you are absolutely correct you know it’s like why go work at a zoo so so animals to me are magical you know it is just an amazing to to be close to another species that is so very much like us but so very different it’s just amazing and I know as a as a kid when I was out there sitting by that natural pond that little pond at the neighborhood that I know I was talking to the Ducks and the trees and even though I didn’t consciously do so I’m we all have this clairvoyance this sixth sense this inner knowing and we can talk to animals and we do it all the time to our pets we they pick up on our thoughts and our wishes are they pick about our energy you know which is huge but but I know that when I when I got the job I volunteered as I said for a while I worked in the small mammal house with all the different small species like squirrels and marmosets and bats and just all these cool little small species and then I worked in the Children’s Zoo and was able to able to raise a baby camel you know go in at all hours of to feed it bottles of milk and raise it and just some really wonderful species there as well as the the animals used for the schools the prairie dogs and the snakes and the turtles and the ferrets and all those that you would take into a school setting to explain about different animals mainly mammals a lot some reptiles etc few birds but it’s just their magical they have a way of calming me and calming people there around they have a way of bringing us in touch with nature and really reminding us they were part of the earth we’re part of this whole big ecosystem called Earth and getting out of the stress if you will of daily life so so yeah when the zoo called up and said okay we have an open now you know we know who you are and you can actually come work for us now for paid salary which wasn’t very much at all and still isn’t for unfortunately zoo people aren’t paid very much but it is it was it was a calling it was a destiny it was yes I can now be with my animals and most zookeepers when they are taking care of the animals really don’t I’m going to say something pretty controversial here they really don’t care about the people who come to the zoo in other words we used to really love it as a keeper when you would come into the zoo in the morning and be cleaning up everything and getting it ready for the visitors to come in it you know 9 o’clock in the morning we get there at 7:00 or something like that and here we’d walk around and be so wonderfully silent and quiet except for of course the animal noises and the bird songs and and just the sacredness of the outdoor environment and so it’s like she couldn’t it just remain this way before the little screaming kids come and the people with their popcorn and did and so it is you know obviously it’s a beautiful place to have educational lessons and entertainment for people and to teach conservation and I will say that those zoos that are part of the American Association of zoos and aquariums the actually the aza org you can go to that is an accredited National Organization for here for the United States that has about 215 zoos or so that meets that meet the high standards so we’re talking about zoos here that really are professional that you know all the animal food is is basically human quality it’s really food they are in social settings that are appropriate for for that particular species they’re in a habitat that is a naturalistic habitat the conservation programs are our front and center with the zoo board and and the dollars that they put out there for research in situ conservation which means that you know I may have a volley minor here in a Myna bird that is an exhibit at the zoo but there’s actually a funding program in Bali that’s that’s helping preserve those animals in the wild as well in Indonesia so those types of programs are very relevant and prevalent and these accredited zoos did you ever go to a zoo as a kid either one of you oh but of course yeah and what did you like about the zoo well my favorite thing was playing with the what was it that I think they were lion cubs and that’s that and like feeding one of the elephants a little I was pretty young but those are those kind of those two memories kind of stand out nothing yeah it’s just amazing that you know I see elephants on TV and Ellison here’s one like right yeah and they’re big giant hairy there it is a little thingy since that time I come to understand how how sensitive emotional elephant can be and you know they have really good memories and you know they can they can get really if they’re you know bred kind of in captivity whatever they can really get attached to their handlers and their owners and they’ll you know if they’re not around for a while they can get really sad and emotional there’s people that want to piss appear refer you know a short amount of time they really kind of get you know yes you’re correct you know it’s very similar to where in India of course the mahute s– are the caretakers of the animals and they are with that animal for basically the life of the animal and it’s it’s it is that amazing bond that is developed and that’s what’s so special about being a zookeeper is this bond between yourself and the animal I remember when I worked at the Los Angeles Zoo when I moved from Houston to LA I again had to wait because la has a test that you have to take and pass and then they higher off the scores that you make on the test and they only give the test every four years so when I came there and they had just given a test and I went darn you know okay back to pharmacy so so I worked at UCLA hospital for a while and another local hospital in Los Angeles for the four years while waiting for the test and then took the test it was third on the scale to be hired and then so I had to wait you know another year or two before I actually got hired so it was working with pharmacy again for a while so that came in handy but then at the Los Angeles Zoo the collection is amazing the animals that are there and I just called it a collection but it really is about showcasing the diversity of wildlife around the planet and Los Angeles has an amazing array of of really well done exhibits and really well done breeding programs for very species and and so I just remember it was it was wonderful I started out in the marmoset colony which was all about learning how yet these small primates which are from South America of various species can exist and be bred and reintroduced back into the wild so they actually had quite a number of programs working with introducing him back into Brazil in those areas and and then I worked with gosh I mean I kind of moved all over that Zoo which was wonderful but I worked with at one point in the nursery and there were a couple of baby orangutans there that there was one orangutan that would that the month that the male loved to mate with her and get her pregnant and she had babies but she could not raise them her own she was just not psychologically capable of taking care of her young so they were always pulled and brought to the nursery and then when they got to be maybe four years old or so they were put back in with the orangutan group and so I was fortunate enough to be able to work with them in the nursery and then when I had been there for a few years I actually was assigned to the orangutan regular habitat and group and it was about a I want to say eight or nine orangutans in the in the major group and so we put the young ones in there and the keeper was going the head keeper was going well you know you know them well let’s see if you can walk in with them and I walked in with them and of course they hugged me and they they greeted me they’re like oh yes we know who you are you raised us when your kid you know and they grabbed my legs and they immediately picked me up and lifted me off the ground and I went Oh can’t go into him anymore too strong yeah yeah so we developed these attachments but have to realize they are wild animals too and and have certain superpowers I want to go back because David was talking about elephant and so I’d like to get your take on the age-old story of elephants in captivity and just as a brief foundation listeners is that you have an elephant I think what it was either at the zoo or was at the circus and it was taken into captivity and it was put into this it was attached to stake in the ground and it was really hard for the to get out and then it just realized that was a lot like II couldn’t escape and then the zookeepers I guess at the time or the circus people realize that it was a mental thing so they could get a child or a baby elephant and put attached into the same fake and as a younger baby elephant they could never get out and but they were so into being into captivity that there were fire anything out they would actually die because mentally I mean they’re strong enough to get through that stake but mentally they really likely could do it and so I wanted to share that story because there’s a lot of correlation between human experience and elephants with that story and as an animal behaviorist I wanted to get your take on that well we often stake ourselves into the ground and don’t get out of situations that we probably should or certainly could but we don’t take the choice to do so so in many regards you’re absolutely right it has great parallels to the human condition as far as the elephants in captivity they’ve come a long way so the zoos have zoos and circuses have in the past been menagerie spend simply a way for a king or queen or someone of a you know a wealthiest state to simply show different species around the world and an elephants have been used obviously to to go across continents and and help as a war machine to to just be these workhorses if if you will like in India and do manual labor if well you know animal labor but these hard things of moving logs and trees and whatever they’re very strong it’s we’ve we have as a human species domesticated if you will or certainly used a lot of species to be our helpers in in our human condition as a weak primate on the planet and so elephants have been taken into captivity and unfortunately if they’re not treated well and in most cases they’re not it’s extremely sad it’s extremely horrible because they are very smart and intelligent beings and they have a great memory as you said and they live to be 60 years old so you know we’re talking a very long-lived animal here that is existing not only a wild open spaces but in this herd so is one of a matriarchal pack the males tend to move in and out of the herds that are run by the female but you have the sense of community and camaraderie that isn’t all about elephants and so certainly if they are in captivity the ones that you see they’re older probably did come from the wild when they were young and used to be staked to the ground now they’re not chained up at night they are given free rein in these open habitats or these buildings but it’s and that’s what I mean elephant care has come a long way too to have where keepers used to go in with them and use augs you know use the hook to train them if you will or to guide them it can be used as a weapon but that obviously is cruelty it can be used as a gentle guide of I want you to bring your you know your foot over here so I can trim your foot because if they don’t get their feet trimmed they can develop cracks and really horrible painful you know experience of walking so there’s different cares that human have to do for these animals that are not able to be in these wide-open spaces and wear down their feet in a natural way for example just like we clip our dog’s nails because they’re in captivity and they don’t wear them down it is it is though that when you bring an elephant in with another elephant it’s big you’re beginning of herd so you’re beginning that bonding and that closeness that is really necessary for their psychological well-being and giving them things to do obviously just like you would if you’re in a confined to your house or your neighborhood for your life what would you would want to have a lot of stimulation as well so it’s zoos are controversial and yet they do in my mind at least have a great role to play for our urban populations of our humanity that we’ll never get out to the wild and see these species and now most of the time the animals you see in zoos were bred in the zoos purposely so the genetic diversity is managed on a national or global collection so that we are not so that if they ever were introduced into the wild they certainly would be the best of that species that they could be they wouldn’t be you know breeding an antonín a nice or they wouldn’t be breeding ones that were so closely together in other words they’re not not the having good genetics so there’s a whole bunch of science behind it as well as my point but you really want to establish these herds or these conditions and so zoos are constantly updating their habitats and and bringing them into a new a new era so for example the zoo Atlanta here in Atlanta Georgia had an elephant facility that was very small and and had three female elephants because having a bull is really hard to do they go into musk they get violent they get you know they get very when they’re in their sexual prime and they go into musk they can be quite dangerous in fact the most keepers ever killed in a zoo or the animal that kills the most keepers is the elephant because they are so smart and they are so huge and they can they’re cunning you know if they really do get pissed off you’re in trouble so it is we always so generally zoos keep females together or they’ll have a bachelor herd and the zoo and line had a smaller exhibit and then in the 1980s 19 yeah it was a late 18 late 1980s they developed a natural habitat for the office which was rockwork and a pool and and really a nice night house that gave them places to walk around where they didn’t have to be chained up as I said and in other outdoor exhibit areas so they could get away from each other and they could also be together and it was really suited state-of-the-art for that time but now the zoo has petitioned the city and actually obtained three more acres into the park that the zoo is part of and taken over the old Cyclorama building which is this huge historical building that held this circular painting from the late 1800s of the burning of Atlanta that was about 50 feet tall and about I don’t know 360 feet you know it was a huge circular painting that moved to the History Center now the Cyclorama is owned by the zoo and will become an event center for large events that people can rent out of thousand people sitting down to a dinner for example or conferences with windows looking out on the new African savannah then houses a new whole elephant exhibit that is over three acres and has a bull section and a cow section that they can mingle together but they can also be separate so zoos constantly are evolving to these what can we do to better the quality of life for these animals and most of the time they’re bred in captivity so they haven’t come from the wild as a captive animal they really are bred and and exchanged around the world or around the United States to make sure as I said the genetic diversity is is the best it can be there was an episode on 60 minutes a couple of weeks ago and it was really interesting to watch because you know we as humans or are enamored with our phones and we use our apps and dating apps and and all that and 60 minutes was making the correlation with the apps and software that zoos and other habitats were using for mating it was more of you know like you said that genetic diversity and and looking at combining that with their natural habitats to find an ideal or the best animal it could be against quote unquote so it’s just really interesting that there’s always these parallels between the animal kingdom and the Eamon King hahaha well we are an animal as well yeah we we forget that we’re part of this greater whole this ecological system in many regards because we have the ability to change and disrupt and quote improve and and modify our ecological reality in our living Earth but when we start to think about the living waters the way I was interviewing a lady from kuipers of the waters Betsy Damon and she has this amazing capacity and technology to map where water exists so let me explain if you have like here in Atlanta Georgia she would come in if she if we chose to have her come in and map where is it underground where is it piped where does it come up in Springs where is it in a lake or a river where is it being used for municipal waste where is it being used for drinking water where is it you know where is our water and she believes that development all development needs to stem around water and where it naturally flows and to preserve the natural flow along the land of the water and the purity obviously of water because life water is life and so when you talk about the way humans use our landscape and animals use their landscape we can learn a lot from the animals how they help keep that cycle going the the purity of the water the ecological system intact we need to learn a lot from them you know from their their wisdom on how to use the environment so let me ask you with that being said because I’m trying to make that correlation between captivity and persons being in their natural half you know natural level and I’m thinking about the example in Thailand when they had that tsunami what was about 15 years ago and those that were tell the story that were there you know they’re sitting on the beach enjoying their vacation and they noticed that the animals are kind of picked up and moved tired around right yeah and the humans were kind of like oh that’s peculiar then we know the rest of the story so on what level with that animal growing up in that controlled environment still have that natural instinct where we would be aware of something that’s amiss well that’s a really good question because first of all I I think we all have this innate instinct if we would pay attention to it you know its its various groups of people for example those who are really close to the land if you talk about the First Nations or people who really live in the in a rural environment they know the weather they know the seasons they know the area and that they can forecast what’s coming by looking at the clouds or feeling a little bit of change in the temperature or the moisture in the air we just don’t pay attention to that very much in there are urban environments because first of all it’s mainly controlled and you walk into an AC condition into into a house etc or an office building so I think as far as animals in captivity in these zoos or these situations but even or dogs you know they they sense when an earthquake is coming or when the barometric pressure drops and a storm is approaching they have that innate ability to understand and of course as I said so do we but we don’t practice it or pay attention to it as far as though an animal in a in a situation under human care whether it be pets or zoo or wherever a natural wildlife place they are kind of in that what I would call part domestic part wild actually wrote a paper on that and graduate school okay you know just looking at environmental policy and how we deal with our the way we view animals so wild animals have one cycle or one way we look at them as the pinnacle obviously if you want to look at them from a spiritual point of view they’re our brothers and our sisters if you want to look at them as a resource they’re they’re the wild we have to conquer them perhaps or work with them or kill them depending on like wolves in Yellowstone and so you’ve got you know these amazing ways we look at animals and we look at domesticated animals that we completely have control over whether they be ones we use for food like cows and chickens and pigs or whether they be ones we use for our companion like you know birds and dogs and cats and ferrets and whatever that the ones in between the ones that are wild but in human care like in a zoological park are kind of both in my mind and because they’ve known perhaps nothing else then I’m being under human care they are very attached to their human keepers they are very attached to their group that they’re in that’s their family they they have certain behaviors and certain experiences that they have every day and that they say change and it does change with the seasons and year to year but by and large of course they don’t experience the same wild experience that their wild counterparts would so they’re kind of stuck in between but I think they still have that instinct that would know if a tsunami was coming or wouldn’t if the weather was changing I think we can learn a lot from them just as we need to tune into those capacities as well awesome and so I kind of was leading you to go down that road because I wanted you to talk about the tourism for peace but I also wanted to get your take on just in your media piece you’re in we hear this in the conversation a lot today that sistex show that the world is getting slightly more violent each year and there’s countries that spend fifty times more money on combating violent than investing in peace and I wanted to get your take on maybe observing and maybe animals are telling us something that is right under our noses to be aware of so before you answer that go into the tourism of peace and then we can go down the other tangent sure so tourism for peace was born in 2003 when I was in Switzerland taking a peace course with the university of land egg it was a course called education for peace that was piloted in her to Herzegovina and Bosnia and Herzegovina in the schools to talk about how does peace relate to every subject that children are taught in school from your math classes your history classes your geometry classes you know your your PE classes how does it relate to the language etc and to be able to teach children the piece is really part of all of our daily lives and how we can start to get along and of course different ethnicities when they’re warring with each other it’s how do you how do you get to know your neighbor and create that peaceful interaction in that peaceful places so we were challenged with that course education for peace to create our own brand if you will our own service of how we can be peacemakers and peace builders around the world and so because my background is in ecotourism that’s what led me from going from the zoos my graduate work really I realized when I studied this Environmental Policy and if I wanted to protect the animals where they actually lived I had to work with the people you know remember I told you as a zookeeper I didn’t really care about the people who came to the zoo I just wanted to be there with the animals and when the visitors came in it was kind of a ok I granted they’re paying their way in the door and they’re paying my salary but I really would prefer that nice quiet in the morning before the visitors come but I realized with the just the cycle of life like oops I’ve got to work with the people who live for these animals are in India or or Bali or you know Tanzania whatever that we have to uplift them and their society before conservation can ever survive so it’s about so I got involved in tourism and ecotourism which is basically tourism based on the natural wildlife based on your forests and your water and and all the wonderful elements of that ecology we’ve been speaking about and of course the animals there so so I worked in Belize that worked in Ecuador did some work in Indonesia and realize that and in my travels around the world and and going to many conferences and in many different countries that were all basically the same we were human beings we have we want the same thing for our families we all want of course security and and a good job and and we want our kids to be educated we want the ability to have all that we need as far as our basic necessities at the very least and we want to be creative we want to make a difference in the world so you know what what how can we do that what’s your unique talents so basically tourism for Peace was started to address those kinds of issues how can we get to know each other around the planet how can we honor the diversity of the animal kingdom but also the diversity of the human race and the cultural differences that we are and get to understand each other so I started out giving some tours giving mainly I was also in a spiritual quest at that time of graduating getting finishing my PhD starting at Horizon Center you know doing the work there opening up to my clairvoyance my the which I’ve had all my whole life as I talked to the animals and trees around the pond at the neighborhood but really opening to up to those those skills that we all have and then realizing how can we do a service and get to know each other so I ran several tours that were basically sacred tours if you will to get to know various places get into the sacredness of Mother Earth and do meditation went to Belize and and Brazil and then several places in the United States Arkansas has a huge crystal vortex and crystal beds underneath it has some very beautiful energy so ran several tours there and I realize I’m not a tour guide I’m a nature lover and as usual issed so began teaching working in peace because when we can get to know each other around the planet we can create peace so that’s how that started sure it totally makes sense and it just seemed like the perfect person for it well and you met in the go ahead go ahead no I just like the fact that you you’re mirroring or you’re you’re just leveraging all of your life experiences to the present day right so you’re using your traditional training using your spiritual training you’re combining the two and so it yeah tell us where my second question was you know it could be just you know the perception out there is that we’re getting it’s getting statistically more violent and I was just wondering what you were seeing as far as the animal kingdom reflecting what humans are currently going through or is this more I mean it’s a lot of sensationalism now because we have access to more more news today but how different is it then 100 years ago I mean world war 1 at the time or getting out of it and the environment was pretty toxic at that time as well so those are seeing if you were seeing spiritually any correlation with animal behavior and what we’re currently going through well so you bring up a lot of good points so let me go through them one by one yeah you know we were talking just a minute ago about the Global Peace Index really you can go look up the Global Peace Index by the Institute for economics and peace puts it together and basically rates every country in the world about how peaceful is it or rather how violent is it they really look at violence in different forms and come up with who’s got this sort of good Peace Index this positive peace index and and who doesn’t and they find those countries with the high positive Peace Index really show high levels of human capital sound business environments low levels of corruption free flow of information good relations with neighbors you know equitable distribution and resources they’re really getting along with each other and they’re quite prosperous and healthy societies so we know that when we have a lot of peace that humans actually can flourish and prosper but what’s happening around the world and you mentioned about you know the media etc is we’re hearing so much more about the violence and on this Global Peace Index countries are it looks like the number of countries that have sort of more violence than peace if you will is has gone up slightly over the last couple years like two or three more than were before yeah so so they say it’s rising but then there’s an amazing book that came out about three years ago and it’s called the better I’m trying to find it right here it’s it’s called something like the better angels of our nature and it’s written by a Harvard economists I believe I don’t have his name escapes me right at the moment I apologize but he basically looked at the last couple hundred years of the human history all around the planet to see if we’re getting more violent or whether there’s more peace and he actually acclaims that there is more peace now than ever before like in human history which what do you think about it is really bizarre considering what are our media outlets you know saying to us and when we’re hearing we’re obviously getting this kind of scare if you will the scare tactic like oh yeah everyone’s this is again the us versus them or the you know my neighbor is my enemy and in truth what you and I are doing right now all three of us everyone on the on the show is we’re talking about peace we’re having a very peaceful conversation let’s put it that way we’re not in war we’re not being harmed we are actually just sitting around in our own environments having a great conversation and in truth most of our day is like that they are not in a situation at least here in the United States thank God and many places around the world and I will say obviously yes there are many many many places around the world where people are not in that condition they are being it you know in terror they are in war they are being violated there is huge violence in various places around the world particularly against women and children and that’s a whole nother radio show but but in large what he found out was that these this index and it’s a whole different index that he put together but again the book is called something like the better angels of our nature of it it’s about we really are in an age of peace which i think has a lot to do with at least the beginnings of an age of peace has a lot to do with a raising of our consciousness and so I want to talk about that for a minute because we’ve never been a global society until maybe a hundred years ago I mean we’ve always been tribal and States and nation states but to be a global society and particularly since the internet came about 40 years ago or I mean when you started having this global if you will I guess even back with the different Morse codes etc you know in radio that that disconnected us it started to connect us as human beings around the around the globe and so we have had to learn to get along we’ve had to learn how to expand our borders and get out of our tribal states in our city-states now of course not everyone has chosen to do that and that’s where the conflicts are but in the long run we have chosen to be a global society I mean it’s not no going backwards we are a global society and that’s where it’s really about how can we each create that global society now you asked about animals they’ve already created a global society that’s what ecology is all about that’s what the harmony of nature of the natural world is all about so yes we can learn from them we can learn from how do they get along there of course they’re predators and prey you know as far as eating goes but the way they use each other’s nests and dig water holes that then the other animals drink from or someone cuts down a tree and that actually offers a new habitat for a whole nother species they work together in tandem and that’s what we need to understand it’s all one big resource in the planet so how can we actually if you will I was going to say parcel up their resource and that sounds terrible because I don’t want to parcel it up but how do we use those resources where we use it in a sustainable way and so sustainability is a whole nother conversation with the 17 sustainable development goals put out by the United Nations in 2015 that we’re all meant to be living by but probably no one knows what they are so you can Google 17 sustainable development goals and find out about those so we have a lot we can learn from each other and from the because I was thinking about when you’re in an environment you kind of you walk into a room and and it feels really cold like you know the enter is off of that room and I want to give a shout out to all the dog lovers out there and for people that are in the dating realm right you may really like this person I put your dog does it it it some people are using that as a cute like the dog knows right you better pay attention because Fido on top of that it kind of tongue-in-cheek where we’re laughing at it but I think some of its true and then I bring it up because of your one because the big movie last year was a dogs purpose and you know that was pretty fun outside of what they were saying about animal protein so I hope that didn’t happen upset but I did want to bring up your services because you offer animal communication you do peace coaching through Akashic records and I wanted to know if we could combine those with like a dog’s purpose like you do those coaching and communication with a person in there and their pet to see excuse me see what their synergies or what their what their purposes to be together yes you know an animal’s pick up on our energy animals reflect our energy and it’s just I mean I remember just a quick story about being I told you I took care of the orangutan at Los Angeles Zoo and if I was in a pissy mood or I was something was upsetting me and I came in to to put the animals in their night quarters and feed them their dinner for the night they would not come in they were like you got to be kidding I’m not going to walk in that door even though you got my food you know in my in your hand I don’t want to come in because you are in a pissy mood and forget it so what I had to do is I had to step back before I even came near the back the back entrance of that exhibit and go okay take a breath Gail I have all the time in the world I’m going to go in and say hello to the orangutan tell them it’s a beautiful day and here’s their dinner and come on in for the evening and if I did that man they just jumped in like yeah okay great you got our food this is perfect but if you know forget it if I was in it just had any of my energy off so we’ve all experienced this with our dog or cat or bird or horse yeah animals are just amazing and so how is your life it’s really about the tools and that’s what a lot of the piece classes are the P spring training and and and the piece of coaching with the Akashic records is is getting each one of us our human being in right alignment and then yes talking to your animal and saying okay what else do you want your human to do how do you want your human to be to reflect its best self you know and and that really is what we’re each wanting to be right our best self Hey how many tests you have Gil we have four dogs and as I said we we have been breeding these coton de Tulear dogs for years but now we’re stopping breeding so we have the two parents and the two children from the last litter the two boy and girls sister brother dog from the last letter and that’s our four now to be just stable dogs that will have okay you know 15 years yeah what about you what do you have currently I don’t have I don’t have anything I had a dog for 14 years right before I came to Georgia but he had died yeah I was 13 I guess he passed away and so I was pretty rough and I’m just having to being quite ready to get another one it’s like man we will take a little break because I was pretty emotional if I want to go through that again absolutely and they’re a commitment you know they’re a family member and that’s it really is any kind of we call them ownership but really it’s about caretaking is a commitment and how can I relate to that animal I really you know as a keeper as you said as we talked about got really attached to the animals and so everyone would kid you know are you taking that little monkey home tonight check your backpack that it didn’t leave the zoo and go home with you type thing yeah which it was really tempting but obviously didn’t happen because they belong to their family too so yeah yeah lots of wonderful things so we can create peace in our own life here we can create these places where our energy can be we can practice being at peace and talk to each other about what that is that’s the Peace Park when you go to the website tourism for peace calm check out the peace parks and the peace master plans and get on our world peace trails map is not something really that kind of struck a trigger as far as a compartmentalization in in your last example when the orangutan knew how you felt and they wouldn’t go in there and eat and maybe because it’s not just you I’m just saying as US us as a whole we at that time you knew I had to change my energy in order for them to have an affiliation of to kind of come in and so I can go home right and in many cases we compartmentalize that we’re for work yeah I’m willing to do quote-unquote the work but I may come home and the person there knows there is an energy that’s this that’s different and you’re like what’s wrong nothing we’re picking up on those energies too but it seems like we’re more so able to we have access to those tools but we use them or compartmentalize it for work because that’s what we have to do for our livelihood but we’re not doing it one more off the clock yeah you bring up a great point these tools these energy tools which gosh I mean there’s so many different ones that that are out there for everyone to learn and to investigate and to practice our 24-hour tools you know there all day long and just to become so whatever kind of energy tools each one of the listeners each one of you can find practice practice you know it’s about practicing when it doesn’t count and so when you really need it it’s there and it becomes part of who you are grounding cord rose all kinds of wonderful whatever practice really you’re attracted to is perfect then now you mentioned believes in other places that you’ve gone on your tours are there upcoming tours that the listeners should know about that they could sign up for as well no I’m busy writing the books not only the opera piece book is in final draft form it’ll be published really soon the Lucy books are coming up they’re the next in the series it’s this wonderful series of nine young adult novels about this character named Lucy a young twelve-year-old girl who is in Belize and her mother owns a zoo or a director of a zoo that is this magical place and she is to learn about peace powers from the animals and so each book is a different country a different peace power a different animal species and a different climate of culture of the human race of what kinds of things she can learn from those human societies and solve different ecological challenges along the way so it’s it’s it’s a magical science and adventure story so there’s all in the newsletter on your site we could sign up or people can sign up for so they’ll stay abreast to know when the book comes out you can go to tourism for peace calm and join our email list and learn more mm-hmm awesome also any other questions David yeah you just answered it I was just going to ask her about how to find out about more about the book or when it’s coming out so yeah and I know people would be excited to check out your newsletter and see your site but I think you’re pretty active on social media as well so I’d love for you to give out your social media contacts yes so tourism for Peace has a Facebook page what the one I’d like you to go to is peace Explorer that’s another one the Facebook page that has on both of those I post some really interesting things and what people are doing around the world actually to create these and different new inventions that people have come up with and something is little but very it seems minor but it’s really fantastic is a metal straw that fits on your keychain and folds up that you can take with you all the time because straws are one of the worst pollutants in the world billions of them are out there plastic straws you know so we’re dealing with this plastic pollution so go 2-piece explore on Facebook or tourism per piece and check out those I’m on twitter @ @ p6 blur and on LinkedIn under my name Gayle lash and have my websites of course and go to world peace trails calm and find out how you can hashtag opt for peace and make your own peace Park and as I said get on a world peace trails map so thank you it’s been a delight to talk today yeah yeah yeah well you have just been in tuned to another episode of intrinsic motivation from a homies perspective I’m Hamza and I’m David and dr. Gayle lash it was a pleasure to finally get you on the podcast so you got to stay in touch of course yes thank you it was a delight thank you go back to thanks alright listen to intrinsic motivation from a homies perspective on radio public it’s a free easy-to-use app that helps listeners like you find and support shows like ours when you listen to our show on radio public we receive direct financial support every time you hear in episode experience our show and radio public today by listening to the show linked in our episode notes and thank you for listening thanks again for checking out another episode of intrinsic motivation from our homeless perspective podcast please check us out on our website at intrinsic motivation dot life where you can click on the speak pipe button and leave any suggestions for a future podcast that you like us to cover also check us out on our social media sites we have a YouTube channel Facebook page iTunes podcast in addition to stitcher and Google Play all under intrinsic motivation from a homeys perspective check you out next time have a great day you

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