Conflict Resolution Mediator Yasmin Davar Says Millennials Will Save The World!

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welcome to intrinsic motivation from a homies perspective podcast where we meet experts from all walks of life to learn their intrinsic motivations so that they can share it with the world what do we have a store today stay tuned to find out more [Music] good morning great good afternoon everybody out there in podcast land this is another episode of intrinsic motivation from a home expected this is Hamza and I am David and today I’m really intrigued with our guest and I kind of had my arms crossed because she is posing this question can millennial face the world and of course people that aren’t Millennials may have their arms crossed too like what did I know that we don’t know those young whippersnappers she’s looked into this so much so she’d even written a book about our peaceful planet healing ourselves in the world for a sustainable future and without further ado I like to welcome Yasmin d’Ivoire to our podcast welcome Jasmine I love it thank you so much for having me on absolutely thanks for coming on I was interested because when I was talking to David and we were looking for different guests and such and I had to come across your information you are talking a lot of people in the States we’re talking about what’s happening with the school shootings in parkland Florida and you are outside of the United States and I’m sure that it reached the rest of the world and I wanted to get your take on this very particular problem that we have here in the States which is gun violence that’s happening and in all walks of life in this case it was in high school but from the inside looking out we always feel like the rest of the world is kind of like the Wild West like we are and I’m wondering in your neck of the woods let’s talk about before we get into that they were you’re from which are what your background and then we can dive into Millennials putting on the Superman cape you put that okay so I live in Australia and besides in six months that I’ve studied in Paris I’ve already empty I am an environmental engineer and I have a master’s degree in International Studies and peace and conflict resolution and I’ve worked in academia I work your business and I worked for the Australian government I have lots of experience in different realms I’ve certainly seen what’s possible absolutely what we talked about in one of our initial podcast we were talking a lot about synchronicity and how there’s no accident and so you have a very very broad foundation and I guess having that foundation with engineering with conflict regulation you’re able to see and not be as myopic as others that are in one discipline correct and that was the reason that I chose that path interesting so with the with how did it actually happen what were you where your family engineers and you’re like this you’re going to be an engineer like your mom or your dad and that’s what we have for you and you’re going to be that for the rest of your life how did that happen okay so it was really actually completely the opposite so my dad was a dentist and he had hoped that I would follow in his footsteps and when I declared that I wanted to become an environment environmental engineer his response to me was the women who become engineers to which I said which surgery you living in of course women becoming too and and there was a correct response and in fact in my course why environmental engineering course 50% of the students were women and I would I would think that that statistics remains true 20 years later I think it is a an aspect of engineering that does attract a lot of female participant as opposed to other engineering disciplines and so I became very interested in waste management as an engineer and I started a PhD Erin she was particularly interested in nuclear issue that I was looking at nuclear waste but the more I read about the nuclear industry I really felt that the energy industry was used as a justification to continue the weapon industry and really that then becomes an issue at the international level with international relations and that’s why then I embarked on my master’s of International Studies and peace and conflict resolution mmm how I ended up that way yeah you know it’s one thing that I’m glad you mentioned that there were so many women represented in the engineering profession I have a background and we’re actually working with an architecture and engineering firm and here in the States there’s that we have what’s called a stem which is a fine there’s a huge push for science and math and we have a keyboard yeah that there too because this here there’s a lot of liberal arts majors and you know that can’t get work after school and so it’s foot but there’s still a huge misrepresentation or a lot of women aren’t represented especially in the in the stem discipline as much so it seems like you guys are a little ahead of us in that aspect I don’t know in the other traditional more traditional engineering disciplines I think that there still is a gender imbalance and I think that’s why we’ve got the stem push here as well you know I I mean to do engineering any form of engineering you’ve got to really love math which I did so her um you know I know I’m not even at school I try half of my advanced math class for women so you know why I don’t know whether there is a perception which is what the stem is pushed for women to go into stem is about there is a perception that that less interesting work or perhaps not as glamorous and not and not certainly true in reality mm-hmm and so you had made the transition in furthering your studies to do conflict resolution and for me I’m probably just you know from my background people will go into conflict resolution for a management type position and kind of growing within the company is that pretty much the same professional trajectory that you would have there that would push you towards conflict resolution oh no so the conflict resolution that I was told was about international conflicts and resolving international conflicts political conflicts war yeah it wasn’t about conflict resolution within a business sense but having said that it’s not actually part of my studies that I’ve ever you know ever had to use when I came back to Australia I started working to the Australian Government in the settlement of refugees and I did a lot of work developing the policy for the government around that issue yesterday okay all right and it’s well in the spiritual world we always are told that what you focus on expands so if I am focused on my having an intention to have a great day I’ll see a lot in my world that will reflect that if I feel the opposite that maybe Officer what happened and so if I have a focus on international conflicts or conflict resolution it seems like is it more you would see it more than the average person like you have no idea how much conflict is going on in the world or what’s happening in our backyard um that certainly hasn’t been my experience my mom I I think and this is my life my poly life life is about healing it’s not about creating conflict or seeing conflict I would not say this air is any less or more conflict than there has ever been I think it’s the same it was more about being active in being able to provide solutions to make the world a better place yeah okay and so you were you were working with with the government it not in Australia are you currently or you still you have any capacity with them now I daren’t I’m sorry I finished up with them a little while ago and I watched my book and now I’m talking to you oh we love that we’ve had a number of people myself included that you know we were at one trajectory of following a your path and then we wanted to take that being in our own hands so you’re at the right place Oh excellent so with what you’re using your background and you’re using what you’ve learned to apply to today and so what helped you with you know initial background in engineering and then going into conflict looking at international conflicts what what gave me the foundation to even say that Millennials are going to save the world this is based on my observation and my knowledge of working with Millennials everybody of course has the capacity to make a difference and to make changes within their own lives which will impact on others and impact positively on the environment everybody has the capacity to do that what Millennials have that I think is a little different is they have a greater understanding of the environment I think the environmental movement has been hugely successful in the last 20 years in making sure that environmental studies were included in school then you guys got way more of that than the people of my generation did and so therefore your awareness is higher I can pay you your knowledge of our impact on the environment is higher and so you I think have a better are less blinkered you look around and what happened anything hey actually like that’s not good and I understand why so that’s that’s one thing that you have been understanding which I think older generations weren’t brought up with that and a lot of them choose to not focus on that what they were brought up with was more hey we’re enough for the money we’re in it for ourselves we’re out here to make a success and I bet those two things are not incompatible you can be successful and do things which are good for the environment and good for other people but that isn’t necessarily the focus that some of them have so I’ve certainly spoken to older people who have refused to acknowledge that there is a problem and they don’t acknowledge there’s a problem you’re not going to do anything to be part of the solution that was one of the very first things I learnt as an engineer if you’re not part of the solution then you are part of the problem and I think the other thing that Millennials do really well is that they mobilize themselves are made and they give rise to issues using social media in a way that all the generations old generations have not really mastered social media but Millennials really have and so we see I think the rise of now discussions about I don’t know about you guys but here in Australia there’s a lot of discussion about getting use of single-use plastics and that really rose out of a social media campaign and then reach the traditional media and that would never have happened otherwise there is no way that the traditional media would have even started talking about that so those are those are reasons what I think that you have a greater understanding you want the world to be different and and you’re prepared to take some action whereas I think some some people in the older generation are a little more and I’ve got to look after myself and make sure that I’m set up well financially no you got to do that too but that’s not the only board life let me ask you from a from what I experienced so the last decade when I when I had the suit and tie on now there was a huge environmental push as a matter of fact you know everyone was getting LEED certified D has those type of certifications in Australia they’re less prevalent here you’re talking about being certified to be sustainably and acting like a sustainable and ethical business who’s are you talking about or more of a sustainable sustainable buildings so you know with the green rooms and looking at cutting energy cost and what I saw a decade ago that there was an interest burnt you know the first of its weary because it’s kind of a new concept and then you know there was an interest but then when the market tanked then you know it was seen as a luxury early we want to design this new building but we don’t want to have all these extra costs to make it environmentally friendly the environmental environmentally friendly argument is more of we’re looking at the large or the long-term cost like you’re going to save over time but if a person is going to lose their job because the project went over-budget they’re going to say you know what we’ll worry about that in ten years or something like we’ll put it on the back burner for the next generation so I’m just wondering on when you’re in if you’re seeing like is it a resurgence because the market well the markets really robust here in the state so it seems like you know there’s been a resurgence for this environmental push whereas a couple of years ago not so much here you know it’s it’s just so patchy when I lived in Canberra the territory government there had rules that you could only build energy efficient buildings you had no choice if it was a new build it had to be energy-efficient and so of course all the builders comply and now that I live in New South Wales which is a different stage they don’t have any of those sorts of regulations here and so people continue to build unsustainable buildings so unfortunately this is an issue I think where I always talk about how any change has to be both individual driven and and driven from the bottom and driven from the top so the government does play a role in creating good legislation and that’s missing where I live right now so any sustainable buildings that happen now only happen because there are motivated individuals at the helm of those projects got just kind of a it there’s more of a community feel like you feel like I have to do it if everyone else is doing it but if everyone is not yeah I don’t do it anymore you know I’m occurring to me but you’re seeing that Millennials are doing that and I guess that was the impetus for write your book what what made you write the book and why now what made me run the book I felt that I had a I could see a solution to our problems and in fact a lot of the problems that we experience in the world today have solutions which some people are already implementing is just that we don’t do enough there’s not a lot nothing purchased behind them and so for me with my broad background it was a way of bringing those things together and highlighting the fact that those solutions are available and certainly can be done and encouraging people to get involved so let Millennials in particular I mean the book is not especially aimed at Millennials by given the UM the rise in activity in Millennials if you like in the last few months particularly in the u.s. I thought it was timely and certainly the Millennials that I talk to are far more supportive of the messages that I guess and then some of the other people that I’ve spoken to and so looking from the outside and I’d like to talk about you know how we actually found you because you did highlight what was happening in parkland Florida on that unfortunate event how did it strike you and what did you see that they used I was successful in conflict resolution sorry how did it struck me and yeah how did it strike you out what was your take on it because you were highlighting it as far as getting Millennials to what was the difference between their response as opposed to maybe if it happened a generation ago well it did happen a generation ago and certainly people didn’t mobilize in the way that they have now certainly there’s better tools in social media but I also think that there’s far less inertia with the Millennials I think that if they understand better how well the world is connected there’s less insularity and I think that because they see so much now through the internet they understand what’s possible I don’t think they feel hindered or bound in the way that older generations do and they took to the streets and they they said you know what it was that needed to be said and I could completely applaud them for that that so many people got involved so many young people got involved and said you know what this is not OK this is not OK and if you do not listen to us there will be ratification I thought that was wonderful one thing that was really big or my takeaway from it as a generation Xer was you know you’ve had generations of people marching and and having outrage yes you’re right it’s been happening it’s been ongoing but one thing that really struck me from a social media standpoint was the fact that the lead you know there’s always going to be a leader when something like this happened and the young man that was the face of like the change of implementing change he you know he’s going high school so he he had his admissions to different universities around the country and there was a to university she could he didn’t get accepted in and the media had actually a particular channel I don’t want to highlight him but a major channel here and they were kind of like what was he seen today in 2018 a cyberbully and they were like man and aboot you know laughing at him that he didn’t get in and so he kind of got everyone up to mobilize again and say you know what these are the advertisers that advertise this person’s show and look how they’re treating us and look how they’re treating this event and these major corporations pull major advertising money from that show like they felt an impact immediately that she had to come out and make an apology but it was you know it was too late look the damage had already been done so that was that was huge as far as like you’re saying getting getting everyone together in one concerted effort yeah yep and and very like excellent strategic work hit them where it hurts and the same thing with getting everybody to boycott companies to get it gave NRA members to discount your hitting kind of you’re hitting them way they heard yeah yeah and then I think that’s where other generations will decision that’s when you really going from a backyard regular conversation to really paying attention and listening to what’s happening it is a huge impact on social media and are you seeing that there’s that’s the other question I have about social media because we have what’s called the microwave generation and you know there it’s kind of like well what’s the issue of the week and then there’s an issue this week and then we forget about it because there’s another issue next week what are you seeing as far as succinct pun intended sustainability in keeping with a charge that had many people together but it may go away because they have another distraction or not and look I think that is an issue even with gun control you know this is very topical right now because the students did mobilize and they did protest but they’re you know there are there’s not a national election going on right now is there so there’s you know their ability to immediately influence politics you know is not there and they need to keep up with the came campaign same as environmentalists do over a sustained period and stay focused on their goals and keep putting the message out and keep reaching people until goals are reached and it’s it’s um a long haul you’re right that there are maybe I’m a little bit I stand a bit further back but I don’t see that there’s topic of the week necessarily I see that there is a recycling of topics over and over again until issues are resolved oh sure you know like in in a couple of months or whatever you guys might have another shooting and their issue will come up again or you might have another oil spill even though the last one was several years ago and then the issue will come up again you know that’s a really good point because as of May 2nd 2018 I think we’ve had over 300 shooting public shootings in the United States and so that’s why I wanted to bring it all that only thing you want but just for the audience that’s not a statistic to be proud of exactly exactly and so I think that’s the other part of the question because you did mention the recycling of topic there is another another argument of desensitizing right because if you if like I said we weren’t bragging about that stat but you’re like if there were one or two everyone you can you can gather everybody and maybe get a momentum but one once it gets to the three three and four figures you know you’re like well it’s but it’s just part of the new normal and I don’t think that that makes it okay I think of how many black you know African Americans will be managed in the south before it was finally outlawed you know I like it I don’t think the desensitization is an excuse for continuing practices which harm other people in the environment no absolutely absolutely I wouldn’t say yeah we should just drop her head not more of copy you know I think that you’re right in that it leads to inertia but people are like oh yeah whatever you know as long as it’s not me on my family remember getting shot I don’t care and that leads to inertia people not being willing to sort of sit back and go you know what isn’t done okay and actually you know really want to live like this well I wanted to bring that up because you know part one of your book you’re talking about healing ourselves but then you also go into collective healing so what are the steps to healing your ourselves so we can go into collective healing they’re not mutually exclusive but I do think that the best thing people can do is to heal the hurts that they have inside themselves that caused them to interact with others in a way that may be harmful and that is not just picking up a garment killing someone that might be causing argument that might be abuse that might be carrying resentment around and all of those things influence your behavior with other people that we pulled out that negative impact ripples out and so those are the thing I just think it’s so important that on an individual level which is where most of your power lies that’s where you can actually affect the most change and then when we talk about collective beliefs as an individual you will you hold individual beliefs about what is right and what is wrong what you deserve on what you don’t deserve how things are in the world among beliefs are formed when you’re very small usually or during times of trauma collective beliefs operate in the same ways but it is a group of people who will participate in a belief so for example I they’re a group of people in the US who participate in the belief that carrying guns is a right and being able to kill anybody is alive and and then there are people who don’t believe that that is so you’ve got two opposing collective beliefs what I encourage is for people to embrace beliefs which support harmony with each other and with and with fear does that answer your question it does and so you know here we’re coming at least in the South they’re coming through the end of this full year and so with with parkland happening which you know was the latest news in the news cycle there was pushback from not only our president but I think in government and state governments in Florida where there has been a conversation of arming the teachers and so you is that a step in the direction of collective feeling where you’re just like a well the students are out there armed the teachers are going to be armed also which if you can look into your crystal ball with what I just told you what do you think the new school year is going to have in store I mean you just need I teach you to shoot the wrong person and then that whole thing was up right I didn’t just completely in the wrong direction yeah but I think that like you I think you started the conversation talking about how the outside world views the US and that the rest of the world operates in a wild wild west way in the way they said you do and that actually it’s certainly not true here so we had a mass shooting I think back in 1993 oh I know maybe later than that no actually was later than that but anyway and it was at a tourist attraction and the number of people were killed and the government and they were a Conservative government reflecting the action and said we don’t think this is right there was a public outcry we don’t think this is right we’re changing the gun laws and they did that and they ban semi-automatic weapons which was fought with huge and they restricted who could own a gun and they enforced laws about how guns had to be kept your guns and ammunition has to be kept separately they have to be locked up and they did a gun buyback and that was hugely successful they did another gun buyback this year and once again very successful because as a society we made the decision that we want to live in peace and we don’t want to live with the fear that someone may shoot us if we step outside our home so the level of gun violence that you guys had so you can see our collective belief is different the level of gun violence you have in the US we said it’s been 300 public shootings since the berm what is it Marjory Stoneman Douglas junetta ball yeah mm-hmm that’s a good example of different collective belief was the collective belief and this is very superficial but here we’re not just here but Facebook is you know social media platform right so they have multitude of changes that happen every day actually but they have some that are major right that everyone knows about and so there there’s usually a huge backlash like oh my goodness I’m leaving the platform and it’s mad and then there’s a little noise and then it kind of settles and everyone kind of gets used to the new platform when you had that that incident in the 90s and then you guys were talking about banning semi-auto weapons and gun buyback was there via initial push back like I like the example or everyone was just like oh wow we’re all in we’re all in Wow overwhelming support Oh interesting hmm so here in the states in the States we have from a pharmaceutical standpoint there’s like different stats where a child may get put have a behavior issue and they’re put on Ritalin or something else and then throughout their lives they’re you know staying with the doctor and they’re on some type of prescription their whole life and some of the feedback that we’ve gotten from the sheetings was you know the person may have been off their medication and so here there’s a conversation of both mental health and also the correct dosage or maybe the incorrect dosage or should there be any dosages at all in dealing with children that may or may not be have behavioral issues mental health is it is a tough one and and it actually affects one in four people so that means with most families will have some dealings with mental health and it may not be those kinds of behavioral problems that you’re necessarily better treated with what did you call it the name of the drug oh the riddle riddle and you know depression is a mental health issue and it’s a tough one I am a big believer that some mental health issues I have an emotional cause and it is worth going and investigating that and healing that as much as possible and some of course dorrance keeping mentally ill patients who have a severe mental illness on their medication really is an issue having glowing people who have gone through that myself and you know these are tough conversations yeah I make it it’s not an easy problem to solve well I guess by the broader issue you would sort of I would question why are there so many children who have died which is what’s going on is this a genetic problem is this an environmental problem is it other issues of abuse you know what what actually is going on that there would be so many that required treatment that way I’d be fully trying to look at it from that way I think that’s why I bring it up because you had initially or you were talking about social media and with Millennials obviously they were the first adaptors and you know so they even bring social media to to the level that other generations have not and so when these out when these incidents happened the first place is that authority look at is their social media profile and on some there has they’ve been alarming but again where I was talking a little bit about desensitization where people are look past it like oh they were just kidding or or you know we we never imagined that person would actually act on it right like you hear oh well this is just a platform we weren’t really serious about it and then you know we’re picking up the pieces when someone may have been to split displaying certain types of behaviors so here we have a danger of identifying and also profiling yeah I think that the law also has been too slow behind this I mean you can be quite severely bully on social media and there is no recourse legal recourse to that but if that were to happen in other ways particularly in print or you know something like that you know you would be able to take people to court and have them you know carry and put in detention or whatever I’d juvenile detention or or in Dale or whatever has to do community service because what lawyers do is they create social norms these things are okay and they see and because there are sufficient laws around the collective belief is well we can do anything we want on this platform and we can you know bully anyone we can say anything we want we can be prejudiced against other people we can express violent thoughts so all of those are okay when in actual fact in society they’re not so there’s a real I think dichotomy there that hasn’t adequately been addressed because the fact of the matter is if you see something alarming on social media that doesn’t have to do with terrorism but has to do with someone’s mental health there’s nowhere you can go to report that there’s nothing there is literally nothing you can do yeah I’m a big fan of this podcast called freakanomics it sounds like it sounds like something you might like it if you don’t listen to it already but they did they did a series with top CEOs around the around the US and so Mark Zuckerberg was one of them and so he had mentioned you know Facebook has come on excuse me Facebook in particular has come a long way from when they started in 2004 where a go from from a business standpoint but also as a social steward like yeah we’re we’re constantly evolving to the changes r8 before this is where friends can connect from college and now you know our grandparent that all walks of life or on it so but there is an instance where it seems like people are giving they’re giving their seniority over to social media where things in the example you used in the early 90s this was offline there wasn’t even social media back then it’s a community kind of got up got together and mobilized to you know ban the semi-auto weapons and do the gun buyback and make sure or in decrease the likelihood of those type of outbursts happening again [Music] but very well with your question so now is the saying that when you’re we’re talking about social media there’s a lot of benefits to it but there’s also a lot of detriments to it all so we’re looking for social media to maybe police or have all of the answers where it can just be used as a tool and maybe kind of fall back on your community of IRL and real life people I mean you are right that it’s a tool I think they talk about is right in saying that we should be doing a little bit more policing what people say but I think that in the end like you couldn’t get away with saying those sorts of things some of those sorts of things because you’re I think the way that your media acts in the u.s. is different but you couldn’t get away with saying those sorts of things in Australia in on the in the newspaper or on TV you couldn’t do it you’d be sued so that’s why I do think the law is still need to change I mean we still know it just hasn’t come far enough in social media we know that young people are still being bullied on it we had an experience here where a woman called tarimov who was a former model released an autobiography in which she mentions that she had been raped as a young woman and the social the backlash stay with receiving messages saying I’ll rape you again you know what you deserve Durden and blob-like terrible terrible things from people who believe that they’re anonymous and and there’s what can she do or gallows you know that’s um yeah so I do think once again a case of people calling for change and then or thority creating change creating the regulation around that so the people cultivate that weight on most platforms let me ask you this about I’m sorry I’m kind of taking over so sorry about that David yeah I gotta jump in well I was going to just change lanes for a second so go ahead and ask your question I have a question I’ll ask sure okay so one thing I want to say here for one second Jazmin because I think when you were talking about you know regulating social media and having some types of laws in place it’s a moving target in that you know we see that here where you know Facebook wasn’t even like Marx mentioned how much it’s changed since its inception and social media has changed I mean everyone was on prankster and then people are on MySpace and then you know I did community service so my my teenage little is like old people are on Facebook right so yeah you want to be on the very switch platforms yeah but that does all the legislate you don’t name specific platforms and legislation you know you um you are less specific about that per unit or you could just use social media and then define social media so you know yes I know you talked a lot about beliefs and changing their beliefs and a person’s power to change and I’m a big believer that my you know my experiences are you know from manifest from my beliefs but in your experience what are some of the things I mean it’s needed to say you know change your beliefs but what are some of the things that people really struggle with when they’re trying to make those kind of changes I think that people having done quite a lot of work in that area as well I’ve paid a lot of people struggle to acknowledge the things that have happened to them I’ve worked with the messages my personal life a lot of people who have suffered abused and who know that it continues to affect them in their lives but why look at it solely in the face and allow themselves to heal and so they dawn but even in when they’re trying to participate in hand in process they dodge and then they’re only kind of shooting themselves in the foot but I think that it’s people become scared of reliving the experience and that certainly was my healing method that is not what you do and but you really need you need to get to a point of where you can forgive and you can release and you can create new experiences for yourself that’s one thing that people struggle with I have seen people struggle to acknowledge the damage that their beliefs have done in their lives and as a result of that they’ve done to other people and so I have seen people refused to acknowledge that their behavior has had a negative impact on other people and that is an important part of healing is accepting responsibility for your actions based on your beliefs people don’t want to acknowledge that they’ve done something wrong they may not necessarily want to acknowledge that they’ve screwed up and but actually that’s a really important part of healing and have grown I think those are the two big ones and the other thing is of course unless you have a you have a healing process which allows you to find to uncover unconscious bleep you’re never going to know that they’re there and they’re just going to continue to sabotage you so it’s all I think it’s really important to have a process that does allow you to uncover those and to heals like so that you can create a better life for yourself and the people around you [Applause] twelve-inch yeah nah I think that’s huge about acknowledging behavior I want to drink from two different sides so the first side is if you have if you’re big enough or not even that you have to be a celebrity but if you have a team around you and something happens in its reported in social media then the the general principle is you know what let’s let it ride out because in three days there will be something else out on social media right and then if it starts much learning then we need to have a concerted response we see that on one end here but then the other that was a trigger for me when you said they acknowledge behavior of negative impact we also have a lot of opinions or what-have-you in people making decisions and not having all the facts so will somebody’s going to be found guilty of something in the court of popular opinion versus going through the regular legal system and that we see that at least an entertainment where a person accusation may happen you there’s a lot of behavior of negative impact and that person could be dent their whole career can be damaged their the lives of themselves and their families could be damaged and it was low no that was accident and the damage is already done and so when you said that acknowledge a behavior of negative impact we just see a lot of people like should we even be in social media right I mean this is 24-hour news cycle now and it’s like you know what if I there’s arguments of unplugging because of this negative impact without vetting all the information is the information even right or before or wrong who knows right I mean that takes time what but limited to social media we see that a lot here in the traditional media well we call trial by media forming public opinion not not necessarily giving the full pitch shot and not everything goes to court so you don’t always have a decision that way I mean it can be very easy to ruin a good person’s career and it can also be very easy to allow a person who has done something wrong to hide you know it’s it’s up to I think all of us to be vigilant of the right word but time to be mindful that is going on I’m thinking of something that’s not as negative but from a business standpoint that in the 80s there you know people were used to coca-cola and then they came out with new coke and then everybody it was a huge backlash here in the states and they were like neato but we like the original right and then over time was able to have a response and they came out with Coke classic or classic coke right and so they were able to they had a stumble and they were able to rectify that over time so now I think what you’re saying but with the trial on media just a lot of the negative impact that’s happening needs there needs to be more stories of showing where revolution happened where they were able to rectify damage that wasn’t warranted currently I think they just need to be more positive reporting generally there’s so much good that goes on in the world that just doesn’t get the same sort of traction and I think that there’s a collective belief is definitely a collective belief that we have to live off drama that we can’t absorb any other sort of information and then that goes to this trial by media as well you know we have to live off the drama of something bad happening well actually that’s not true but that’s a collective belief that is held and that’s why we have to change we need to have more positive reporting about people who apologize and take take responsibility for their actions as you say and about the other positive things that go on the world about the people who do really contribute to peace and sustainability just to show that there is progress being made and to encourage other people to get involved yeah and that’s what we’re highlighting in part two in your book where you’re talking about healing the world you know we were looking at creating peace and the post-conflict society right the conflict has already happened and how are we what’s our response it doesn’t have to be a template or could there be a template what do you think I actually think I think we probably tried a number of templates but I think that they could be a template but I think the problem is that there’s so many at the moment it’s just all not very well coordinated and that’s one issue and the other issue is that the people who are normally involved who have been fighting aren’t always necessarily committed to peace and it really is about changing their collective beliefs so that peace can be created in the countries result get to the one of those issues and resolve those issues to the best of your ability but it does require a change in beliefs before I think true resolution happens and really strong positive leadership but what we do see and I think statistically is Grubin then in a lot of cases the conflict resolution and the peace building doesn’t occur in a way that supports long term peace and they revert to fighting pretty quickly so and we’ve still got a really long way to go with that and I do think our reason is that because those beliefs haven’t changed the situation doesn’t change so that’s where that’s where we start we always start with our beliefs because our actions are based on a belief I want to switch gears a little bit because in that same section of feeling the world you were talking about feeding everyone sustainability what’s your what’s your if you could let that our audience know your take on feeding everyone sustainably what does that mean it means a number of things from the environmental but it’s also the social aspect of that so environmentally we’re talking about reducing our consumption of fertilizers because of the damage that any pesticides because of the damage that they do to the environment and farming using more traditional and sustainable methods you less reliance will compare some genetically modified crops have allowed people to produce food in a way that they wouldn’t have been able to before so I’m not completely against GMOs but the inability to use seeds from those crops so that you can reseed your own fields or whatever that you know it’s really ok so there are just there is in the way that farming happens now around the world I think needs to change to be able to support people and also to be able to continue to sort of eat an egg without completely destroying our environment for generations and generations to come the other issue is human so it is about yes farmers should be able to not have to buy you see but be able to receive their own clock but we actually throw out an enormous amount of food up to 50% some of that happened that the consumer in so I think an average household will throw out 30% of the food that they buy which is like a real waste of money but it is also about the fact that sometimes that food doesn’t doesn’t get to market because it is spoiled there is an adequate distribution in the countries where it’s produced or that it is rejected based on its appearance and and so I just seem the distance ridiculous why are we throwing out all this food when there are so many people in the world that still go hungry this doesn’t seem right I really feel that we can get the distribution of food to work a little bit better and there are things that we can do with that sustainable agriculture is you know all the things that you can do to to farm sustainably they have been known for millennia there’s not like you there are lots of different ways you can do it too so you adapt it to the local environment and I talked about that in the book and and I think that there are ways that we can also change the way that we can see so and attributed better so that more people can speak maybe think of things as far as backlash of this is the way we always done it and the first one is the mayor a couple of years ago the mayor in New York City he realized that and in will just use the state of New York they were had they had a huge sedentary lifestyle and so people weren’t as healthy as they should have been and so he started banning like extra-large consumptions of cokes and things like that and he did it in a way that was heavy-handed and everything there was a huge backlash yeah our last president you know his wife wanted to introduce proper eating habits what have you and in changing the food pyramid from the old food pyramid and again there was just huge backlash so if we could leverage Millennials and social media what if you can give us maybe one or two examples at what point us in the right direction of empowerment so we can do our own part in terms of in terms of that particular issue of not being seduced or healthy lifestyles and don’t wait up you know there’s no ending need is there an awareness that we’re wasting food I mean we may not we’re just used to it because that happened yeah exactly and you don’t see the impact of it I buy my silence and social media is fantastic in that think of all the images that circulated about plastic floating in the ocean there’s no reason that you couldn’t do the same as an engineer I can to a landfill with a chairman on the nicest places and so much of that waste is actually a food layer which is compostable and you could use in different ways so social media could definitely be used to show people what to do with their food scraps so that they don’t end up in landfill and it could be used to encourage local councils to collect food scraps as well and turn them into compost that can be used in sustainable agriculture there’s so much you can do I think there can be more promotion of a healthy lifestyle I think there’s a lot of talk about it particularly in magazines and things but given that there are you know obesity is such an issue and people aren’t necessarily following it and it needs really good role models as well it needs people to step up young people people of all ages to step up and go you know this is really easy we only buy what we we need healthy you know we exercise like this and you know we contribute environment this way and we’re really happy about it it just it just requires some positive examples and to show people that it’s easy to make change that’s the other thing I understand as those regulation changes haven’t worked because no one likes to feel as though their choice has taken away and I think that that was the you know it’s my individual choice to it got much and so I do understand why they didn’t work but if you know it does also requires restauranteurs to say you know what we’re gonna we’re not going to offer those portion sizes anymore we realize that we are part of the problem and we’re going to promote my healthy eating if it’s a very it always requires change like from an individual level and then from different layers of society so governments come from have healthy eating programs businesses can get involved like I just described with the restaurants and to say how you know actually were younger change our menu no and we’re not going to provide these huge portions and then you know at the individual level it is about people going on or yeah actually we can change your actions to embrace that and the other thing is also that for a lot of people overeating is actually an emotional issue and it’s about then once again feeling we’ve got a national issue it’s about killing the hope that you carry inside that causes you to eat too much and letting it go and then taking action based on you believe then taking action which and walk a healthy lifestyle what’s your take on incentivizing individuals that I know there are some private companies here in the state they’ve been highlighted where the employees where fitbit’s or some type of tracking mechanism and those that you know follow it to a tier what have you they get extra time off or and as they seen over the year you know that person was healthier and the their insurance went down also but it was one of on a private level so it wasn’t on the mass scale it’s the way you were talking it seems like it could happen on a mass scale it could so you have to start the conversation and the conversation has to start from a really real place like I think that it does have to be I think telling people that they’re doing the bad thing the wrong thing by overeating taking a negative approach to something never works just is a disincentive well you want to do is encourage people to follow a positive example and to encourage them that they could do that and part of that is an honest national conversation about why we over eat and what are the emotional things that we’re hiding and dealing with those and then also talking about the positive healthy lifestyle and you can do that on more media platform so looking at the crystal ball and maybe a year from now and you know you’ve highlighted the Millennials and what they’ve done successfully in pros and cons of what we’ve covered over the last hour where do you see the next year or the next couple of years going and in leveraging these people that are obviously doing some really positive things and how it could actually grow um where where could it go I really hope that the conversation continues I mean you’re right and that there are news cycles they’ve done some big things to create news and I hope that that continues over the conversation is not dropped and I hope also the day a steadfast in their resolution to make change and and follow through with actions like influencing voters whenever there are elections on those are all really important there really is about sustaining momentum and sometimes it’s hard when you’re at the battlefront to constantly feel as though you’re supported so it is about other people showing them that support the whole way through it’s not something that will happen overnight as we’ve seen there’s a reluctance within your Congress to change the laws so this is something that might take a little bit longer but then nevertheless are you just so much positive momentum started it’s just a matter of keeping going and I certainly hire there certainly seems to be enough passion and energy behind it for that to happen I certainly hope it continues absolutely absolutely well actually like to ask this is kind of like a more of a personal question in my end I’m always security that’s cuz we kind of team you live in a bubble here in the United States yeah I guess every penny long bubbles but going up and living in Australia when new thing when looking at the United States that Australia is just we are in disbelief about or laugh about or just like oh I can’t believe they can do this or that or this is a rule or that’s a lot is anything like that um yeah honestly yeah and look I’ve been to the States a number of times I’ve been to the state six times I think the thing for us is you’re alive from weapons to as a collective belief to what’s the right word reinforce your position in the world and your position in I viewed the reliance weapons you feel gives you strength whereas in the book I talk about how strength doesn’t come from those other external things real strength comes from in a piece inside being peaceful inside and then you don’t need those external things your Alliance weapons really is just like the use of cowl which is often based on very negative glades you don’t need it so that’s something that we all you know it’s yeah we all noticed because Australian with what is called a middle power and we tend to use our diplomatic power is internationally where you go don’t a lot and rely more on your weapons and on your gas that’s not you know that doesn’t lead to a peaceful world in the long run yeah they conceived a last resort not the first resort the other thing that really gets me having gone over there and watched some of your TV shows is how biased your Miller is one way will the other how partisan your coverage of issues is and I sat down with my family over there so if I done with my family over there and we were watching I don’t know whether I should say who it was and it was about an issue with which I have quite a lot of knowledge and I said to my family here would like right into it you realize they’ve only given you half a fax and here are the rest of the fax like you by no means are able to form or judgment for that issues because it’s not presented to you in that way and then that’s really um we don’t have that as bad over here like that in the ER is bad over here as you do and that goes for I think both sides of the political spectrum it’s not just one there needs to be like way more balanced reporting over there because otherwise then you just have this really prejudiced view without who you are and your place in the world and what – I – and it breeds an intolerance of from listening and understanding other people’s opinions yeah yeah well said yeah well I’m always curious to get eyes you know eyes that are outside of the United States and cos you know when you’re here and you’re born and raised you just like I said you get in your own little bubble and just stinks out the bar and there’s you know so thank you for that that’s okay Jack that’s fine um you know that’s fine yeah but I think there are some collective beliefs of play there because you there are people that you all be sleeping so that’s completely okay okay I only presents Hoffs the argument that supports your particular point of view and it’s okay for you to personally demonize somebody else who hold the different point of view and those things don’t contribute to harmony within a society and that leads to violence angry were just important I think Warner’s angry actions and if you want to create greater harmony then both of those things need to change as well as of course you’ll believe I think that’s one of the criticisms of social media because you know the might before you or a public company you know you have more control over that but if you’re your when you prop the company you have more control over but when you are a public company and you have shareholders you want to make sure that you’re driving revenue and so if I’m on social media or if I own a social media platform I need to make sure that the users are staying on my platform and not going to a competitor and so that has been the argument of artificial intelligence and algorithms that I want to give you maybe that half-truth this I’m going to keep you on my platform yeah I mean that doesn’t contribute to any sort of happiness does it that’s just great it’s just funny when you’re because you’re you can talk to you a neighbor and you may say well on my feet I didn’t see anything that you saw yours need right it’s a really nice we all saw the same thing yeah you’re not you’re you’re not a victim but yet you haven’t open telling you what your cognitive dissonance is displaying yeah yeah I’m server said that’s that’s an area that where legislation hasn’t caught up Mical videos heavily manipulated as to what we see based on the awkward and is that why right and that’s why I’m you are question because the rest of the world all of the world leaders are going to call Yasmin because she has the right image of what the future should behold and we’re all going to pay attention to that so they want to know more about that and they want to pick up your book you can tell us your website and social media so people reach out to you okay so my website is my name which is Yasmin Dava comm that’s why is am I in DAV a I’m also on LinkedIn I’m on facebook I have a youtube channel I’m sure I’m on Instagram I’m not on Twitter because I did a platform where there was a lot of hate speech and I just do not support that I refuse to use it and you can pick up my book online it is available through multiple online outlets for great challenge fantastic fantastic well you have just experienced another episode of intrinsic motivation from a homies perspective this is obvious and I’m David and Yasmin it was a pleasure let’s definitely stay in touch okay wonderful I look forward to speaking with you again thank you yeah okay [Music] listen to intrinsic motivation from a homies perspective on radio public it’s a free easy-to-use app that helps listeners like you find and support shows like ours when you listen to our show on radio public we receive direct financial support every time you hear in episode experience our show and radio public today by listening to the show link in our episode notes and thank you for listening thanks again for checking out another episode of intrinsic motivation from a homeless perspective podcast please check us 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