Grief And Loss Group Activities For Adults – Grief And Loss Activities – Real-Life ‘Death Whisperer’

Grief And Loss Group Activities For Adults – Grief And Loss Activities – Real-Life ‘Death Whisperer’

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good morning good evening good afternoon everybody out there in podcast land you are in tuned to another episode of intrinsic motivation from a homies perspective this is Hamza and I’m really excited to speak with our guest today she is known as a real-life death death Whisperer what does that mean while she was growing up in a Midwestern funeral home where her dad was an undertaker she learned how to communicate with the deceased and as a result she received many valuable lessons about living one’s best life so she is also the author of light in the morning memoirs of an Undertaker’s daughter so if that isn’t enough to get you on the edge of your seat we’re going to hear from the expert deathwhisper herself Margot Lynn mark welcome to the podcast Margo thank you so much house it’s wonderful to be here yes yes thank you for making it and before we get started I’d like to talk about your website because it is light in the morning and it is a combination to me a combination of a homophone and and a double entendre so what was the impetus of the actual naming of the website light in the morning well because I think when people think of death it’s a very dark subject you know it’s it’s it’s our saddest moments it’s our darkest times and I have found through experiencing those darkest times oh boy and there it’s it’s the hardest times I think we go through and by from experience from my own experience I have found light in that darkness and when we think of mourning mourning is very sad of course that’s what that’s the whole meaning of the word but I was hoping to offer light to people who are mourning through the stories that I’ve told from people who have communicated with me after they died mm-hmm and where I saw it as a double entendre is there is light in the morning so after night time there is actual light and so as a play on words and also playing around with the English language because as a homophone right we’re talking morning morning there is that double meaning but it can kind of I think it at the end of the day we’re talking about perception correct yep yeah I thought light in the morning was just a my brother actually thought of that and and when he set it out what a beautiful title because that’s exactly the point of the book is to bring light to people’s morning and you know so I loved I loved that double meaning even though it’s spelled differently but it’s I really think that was effective oh absolutely I had to go back to elementary school when we were learning homonyms and homophones it was a long time ago yes yes Adi yes indeed well let’s go back a long time ago because as I mentioned in the intro you your father was an undertaker and being a death whisper to an outsider that may sound like a you’re a glutton for punishment right well no and I’m definitely not a you know when you read the book you’ll realize how difficult these experiences were for me but it was in that difficulty that I found a little gem the difficulty meaning that the deep sadness you know the emptiness that you feel when somebody dies so no I’m definitely cotton for that at all and it you know I think it was just me being around death when I was young so much that it makes me comfortable with the subject and I think a lot of people are not comfortable with the subject it’s a very kind of a taboo in this country and I think it’s we have so much of it now out in the open on the news everywhere that I think it’s really time to address the subject of death and we understand it better which is the point of my book also but it was only when I got older that these experiences came to me and it’s nothing that I set out to learn it just happened on its own you know you can see how the experience and the revelations happened to me in the book you know when you read the book and you read the story you see how how things were revealed to me from these people so it’s not even a learned thing it’s just something that happens and I don’t really have any control over it if somebody said to me contact my dead brother I couldn’t do it necessarily maybe I could but I it’s not like a medium it’s not like a psychic it’s just it’s it’s almost like cognitive information that comes to me from people that have been close to me sure and I did want to ask you if you saw that as a differentiation between psychic phenomena or mediumship because my understanding in those modalities is that you can actually a to a learned person or a practice person they can actually control it and for others I can’t control it becomes more of a movie where you know it’s a horror movie or we’re just laughing at all the hijinks because you have this interaction that you have no control over correct and so that’s why it’s not a medium it’s not a psychic it’s this information came to me I was in the depths of despair if you will you know into the depths of the morning when either someone came to me or I somehow got a message from them or so that’s why this literally this light came to me with this message and so no it’s nothing I can control it something that they obviously wanted me to know or to have and I can tell you that every single one of these messages changed how I lived my life because when you get it on that level it is such a such a deep level of truth that it changes you you see differently after you have an experience like that you can’t help but be different you can’t go back to how you were before you can’t unlearn what you just which you just got from that person it’s very very profound oh absolutely and there is the conversation of the present moment where 20/20 is seen as as perfect vision and from an outsider perspective there’s a lot of melee but like you said we’ll never go back based on the information that we currently have right and it’s that perfect vision that you’re trying that’s that’s a that’s a beautiful way of saying it because I really I see I see into something and so in that moment when the when that light comes or that message comes or knowledge or whatever it is it’s perfect vision at that time that’s a that’s I love like what you said because that’s exactly what it feels like and I say in the beginning of the book that the only thing I know for sure is my own experience I know that to be true if somebody else tells me something I have to discern whether I believe that or not but the only thing I know for sure is from my own experience and what’s in my book is what I know for sure that’s all I know for sure everything else is just sort of like you say perception or discernment on something you’ve heard you know we hear a lot of things these days and you have to kind of see where you stand on it and it may change but what doesn’t change in me is when I’ve had a cognitive experience like this it comes from some level of absolute truth that that never changes so that 20/20 vision is is its I think perfect I think it’s just right on but it doesn’t last forever either I mean you don’t have 20/20 vision I don’t think your whole life if you do you probably don’t need to be on the planet because you’re enlightened you see all you know and I think we’re all here to learn to get to that 20/20 vision oh absolutely and when we’re saying that in the present moment yeah I agree with you that there would be no no reason to be here in the third dimension but we would also say to one climate site this 2020 and so with hindsight being 2020 I’d like to go back a little bit to when you were younger and you were around your father as an undertaker what was your first experience like well I don’t remember the first experience because I was really young you know he always had the funeral home when we were growing up and so it’s probably one when I was if you know the first time but but I do have a memory clear memories of going here after school after church we’d stop into the funeral home to meet my dad to get a ride home and so it became sort of a meeting place too for me and my friends to get a ride in and so my and that’s why I guess I’m really comfortable with it in my experience of it is it just natural it’s easy to be around I’m not sure if my friends had such an easy time I think they were kind of uneasy a lot until they got used to it but so I don’t know my first experiences really I know my experiences of my father as a funeral director my father had a countenance about him that was just saintly I guess I could say people really thought a lot of my father he was very kind-hearted and compassionate and soft-spoken and strong and when people died and went to talk to my father they they were very relieved and speaking to him and just felt different when they when they left they came in grieving and felt I think a sense of hope and light when they left because he was very wise and wonderful to talk to when someone died so he was really in the right profession and I remember that really well I just remember the feeling of being around my father in the funeral home and it was really wonderful it wasn’t just a job for him he was it was Darmok he was it was something he would suppose to do sure and this is a little tongue-in-cheek question but the English language is so tricky sometimes he said when people died they would come and speak with your father so are you saying that he was the deafness to appear dead whisper also know their families had come to speak to my father maybe you guys I don’t know that’s funny that’s really well I you know I I loved playing with the English language because I mean this I’m a big fan of etymology and so you know I have a Tamala G dictionary that I look at some time to turn them of course I’m a nerdy out from that and usually people that are deaf whispers or you know have these access to your extrasensory perception they may link it to Lane lineage and some some family members have it stronger than others and there may be an attraction to this light that children usually have that they may have these experiences and then it kind of goes away with adolescents but then it usually comes back you know when we have to learn our life lesson so I was just trying to make a connection in the parallel well it’s really interesting that you say that I’m just thinking right now that my father might have had those experiences and I’ll tell you why when JFK was assassinated I remember I was a little girl I was sitting on my we all got sent home from school I was sitting on my bed crying and my dad came in and sat next to me put his arm around me and he said to me he said he was soothing me and he said Margo our president passed over with a very clear consciousness he’s not suffering he had very clear awareness when he passed over and you know it’s only now that I look back and saying it began I was like I felt so much better when he told me that all good hey I was just a little girl and I I was really getting off on what he was telling me about the the killing of JFK in JFK’s experience of it and now when I look back at that I think how did you know that how do you know that he crossed over with very clear conscience consciousness how do you know that so you know maybe maybe so maybe he did and maybe that’s where I got that because I it’s only know that I wish I could bring him back and say how did you know that when I took the way he always spoke to me was like that and I just took that kind of conversation for granted from him he also told me once that um if we could no get the soul knows when it’s going to die and in six months before the person actually dies this the soul knows that and I’m like how did he know that I mean in my book I I bring out a few points like that that he told me that I kind of took for granted and now I look back and I think how do you know that how did you know all that stuff I don’t know you know and so um II went now that you asked me that he might have been for sure he might have been because he he said some things to me that I wonder now how he knew well I think the and thank you for that acknowledgement because when you said the different you get the different messages at different times I would look at it as in reading a book or watching a movie so my one of my favorite movies is When Harry Met Sally and thank you reason while there you know what I like it is they show the different areas or the different timelines in their life and how they perceive something so if if I’m reading a book or I’m watching a movie and I get this message in 2020 but it’s 2011 I have no reference so I really can’t even interpret the information that’s coming to me at that time it would have to happen when I’m ready for it correct that’s that’s absolutely right and I yeah and you’re talking about watching a movie you know I think it you know I had somebody read my book for the third time and they called me and they said oh my god I can’t believe what’s in there they said they read it the first time just to kind of get the stories and but that’s not at all the point in my book and and I tell people in the very beginning you know just sink deep with me so you can get because all the details lead to the gem and you know the first time you read it it’s good and moving I’m sure to somebody but but but they read it the second time or the third time and I go oh my god I can’t believe what’s in there and I think that’s the way life goes is we we do evolve we do see things in a very different way as our consciousness grows there’s a great analogy that you know my my spiritual teacher growing up as my regime has Yogi’s I’m a teacher of Transcendental Meditation and he was my teacher and he gave this wonderful analogy where he talks about going into a building and taking the elevator up the building or and he says okay so it’s a glass elevator and you’re looking out the first floor you’re looking out that window of the elevator and you you ask somebody what what do you see and they say well I see a tree trunk and then you push the button and you go up to the fifth floor and you say okay now look out that same window what do you see and they say well I see this little park setting with a bench and some flowers a little garden pond really nice and they said okay you go up to the tenth floor you say what do you see and they say basic rice eaters I see kind of a little edge of a meadow and then I see this big forest and it’s beautiful and then you go up to 24 and you say what do you see and they said well I see this huge ocean just as beautiful unbounded ocean don’t see a thing except the ocean and you could say to one of those people okay look down do you see a tree way down there and you can see a tree yeah I guess that’s a tree down there you know and to me that is the best analogy for how consciousness grows how everybody is right in what they see that’s really an interesting thing that everybody’s perception is right because that’s the floor they’re on or that’s what they see you can’t say they’re wrong or not you know that trees down there but so is that unbounded Oshin it’s just that the person looking at the tree trunk can’t see that ocean or that forest or that little park with the pond because the tree trunk is in the way yeah I guess the other the other name of that would be grace right it’s like you’re trying to push somebody to see the whole tree when they can only see the trunk right yep right and and this is why I spent my whole life trying to raise the level of consciousness and people and that’s what km does and different types of meditation do but Tam does that I think most effectively which is why I taught it but you know when you transcend and you go to this this place of silence and it’s beyond thought when you come out of that you you are more expanded and and that’s why I love that analogy because you really do when you’re more expanded you see a bigger picture in things you see what’s going on in the world and you can see it as like today it’s insane what’s happening in the world and you can see it as pure insanity on one level and another level you can see that things have to if there’s a certain level of destruction that has to happen and to get rid of the ignorance so that so that more light can come in and we can live a more positive loving beautiful life you know more in tune with the laws of nature you know so there’s just different ways of looking at everything perception is really interesting absolutely and let’s say let’s stay with that so within the year 2020 a lot of people had to stay in place for obvious reasons and fortunately or unfortunately they tend to drink more and so that person that drinks more may look at the glass half-full or half-empty right and so the reason why I’m asking that you had mentioned that the spirit knows six months before a person dies it’s ready to make that transition should a person look at that as half-full or half-empty like oh no it’s the end of what I know well I don’t think I think that’s that’s the grace we have in life from God is that we don’t know the soul knows we don’t know you know I I think it’s good that we don’t know when that six month has that we’ve got six months to live or or something I think it’s actually good because we would I don’t know I I don’t know what that would do to people to know they might just just drink and party the rest of their life and and miss the whole point of their life or I I don’t know that’s that’s the interesting question but I don’t think I think the soul knows I don’t think the body if you will or the mind or the human being that that that house of that soul I don’t think they necessarily know mmm wait what’s your question what was your question yeah it does and I’m gonna play with it a little bit more because okay okay let’s use some of the documentation that if a person knows from their body right they get a get a the doctor says you have six months to live right some people are like oh well as me but then another person may live another five years they’re like wow I’ve been really sitting on my Duff and now I want to do the things I want to do you know hence the bucket list and everything else right right right and those people I think I think they keep living for a reason they got that message for a reason because they were missing the point of their life you know as human beings there’s a point that there’s a reason we’re on this earth and it I mean who can say for sure what it is I mean but I think we are here to evolve and and to to love more and to grow into to just really become enlightened to become this this big live our full potential and so if somebody isn’t and they’ve just been told they’ve got six months to live if they if they are the glass half-full type person they’re going to jump on that and really take advantage of that and I think because of that they get rewarded and get to live longer you know it’s like God’s going great good job I’m glad I’m glad you got on track you know because I you know we’re not here I don’t think this to just I know I think we’re here for a very deep reason and I think the sooner we jump on that bandwagon and learn sort of the spiritual value of our the inner value of our life and the importance of that the importance of growing that growing in our awareness and growing in every way the better off we are mm-hmm I like to go a little bit and give a shout out to your father because I want to talk about co-creating now and so earlier you mentioned oh wow okay my father may have had this Inklings because he shared these messages with me and so from a co-creating standpoint you talked about John F Kennedy I’d like to give another shout out to another president but before I do I want to give a acknowledgement to Edward Everett and so many people don’t know Edward Everett but at that time when he was alive he was the headliner he was the guy who spoke for two hours with this wonderful speech that he had presented and everybody was all lined up for yet he’s aside in a footnote to history that same day he only had a 20 minute presentation and that was Abraham Lincoln and Abraham Lincoln’s known for that four score or seven years ago and so did Edward know he was co-creating with with Abraham Lincoln at that time that Abraham Lincoln’s speech would be that phenomenal I really feel stupid though who’s ever ever Edward yes Edward Everett I don’t yeah he exactly and most people don’t again just my little nerd timing with us with the etymology and such but he goodness I need to know oh no ways but in 1863 he was the one that was actually he spoke before Abraham Lincoln did for the Gettysburg Address and he was the headliner of that day right so he was the all-important one that everyone’s waiting for he spoke for two hours if no one knows him and he said that ultimately after Abraham Lincoln spoke he said you know I wish I had come up with an idea to do in two hours but you did in two minutes Oh interesting oh that’s that’s great right and the reason why I brought it up sometimes it’s I go to left field but the reason why I bring it up in 2020 is co-creation again is a travesty I mean obviously we’re going to put this on YouTube so some of these some of the names I can’t say so we don’t get flagged but what happened in Minneapolis was of course a travesty but as a result over the weekend the Main Street in Washington but in DC by the white house was called black lives matter Avenue now like did they know they were co-creating for something bigger than themselves and in many cases I wanted to write you that I see what you’re saying I see what you’re saying yeah yeah okay I get what you’re saying here’s the thing I think I think yes I think the souls know whether the consciousness of the person consciously knows I don’t know but I think the soul know i-i’ll people this story I I use this my own little analogy I think before we’re born we sit there I think after we die we go to this little review booth and we talk to God or whoever the creator or whatever whoever you think that is and kind of review everything and then and then you’re sitting up there on this little cloud and you’re getting ready to come back into another lifetime and you’re saying okay well who wants to be the victim I will be okay who wants to be that murderer okay I’ll be in who wants to do this and who wants to be the prosecutor I’m just using your Minneapolis example and who wants to do this and who wants to do it I’ll be that I’ll be that I’ll be the brother I’ll be this I’ll be the protestor I’ll be you know in every goes okay so one two three hold your nose and jump and you jump off a cloud you jump into this into this lifetime and here you are playing these roles and that’s on one kind of funny level that’s that’s what I think we’re doing is so I think we are all co-creators because certain events which we won’t name have to happen in order to make big change you know it could bring about awareness I mean you know I was talking about raising a level of awareness and consciousness and I did it through meditation we’re all doing it through watching what’s going on or being out in the streets helping what’s going on that is really raising awareness and that’s kind of the whole point a whole point in in some people I really feel maybe volunteered for four different different roles to play to bring about great change that that’s what I think so I think we all are co-creators I do sure and while we’re in the weed but I just checked my hands and I do have some dirt under my nails so I’m just going to keep digging in the dirt here would you like this don’t you yes and I love it I love it I do I just the reason I mean there’s a reason for everything a good friend of mine says there’s no accidents and so the reason why I did bring up Abraham Lincoln is you know he said why did he say four score and seven years ago and it’s known for people that you know that have dirt under their nails that he was into the order and so what that meant he was studying some of this occultism if you will or you know information that’s not usually kept amongst the masses and so he’s talking about a score that’s twenty years and if we look at four that’s typically of four different quadrants of your life and so as a intrinsic motivation from a homeys perspective I hang out with the folks of the gham gang which is the gallery of Magic gang and they talk about the quadrant and the bottom quadrant usually refers to the temporary deaths of self that occurs when you feel that you’re all year you’re your own person you’re not a part of the grand scheme of things and so I was really excited to share that with you because as a death Whisperer in a teacher Transcendental Meditation I didn’t know how much it was more natural talent is training to access your since your other sensibilities it’s it’s it’s not training as much I mean the training was in meditation I did get trained in that and but it’s so simple there’s almost no training I mean it’s a very it’s a it’s it’s really a natural technique and I believe I believe that when I did the one two three jump I came into this life with a certain type of awareness because I remember being really young like I don’t know five or six or seven or it’s some young age and people would come to talk to me about things and I would literally see what was going on and I tell them and they run home and you know tell their mom or something you know it but I could see things like that at a very young age and so I think for me it’s it’s it’s a natural ability that it kind of came in with and then the meditation I think really sped up that ability a lot because when you transcend and you you consciously bring your awareness to a bigger level you can’t help but encompass some of those things I think I mean what I mean is you can’t help but develop those abilities that you have even more and so I think that really enhanced it for me yeah go ahead no I I liked what you’re saying and you know where I’m just going back to March since we are now at the first week of June and a lot of people were put into that place of silence but that half-full half-empty laughs people went crazy with that silence they weren’t it may have been the first time in many people’s lives that they were forced to actually look at their inner thoughts and they were so used to weapons of distraction or mass distraction that it was a scary time for them and if we go back to that and this fall I mean who knows what’s going to happen but if we do are there lessons learned that would make an easier transition to being comfortable on that place of silence yeah hopefully you know I was talking to a lot of my friends about that saying boy this is so easy for me I’ve experience silence so much in my life and even though I’m really outgoing silence is very easy for me so this this downtime was just fantastic for me I loved it but I knew a lot of people didn’t but I think once you experience it and you know I think the people who aren’t used to it go a little bit crazy like you’re talking about it just makes them a little bit insane because they they’re uncomfortable with silence but now I think after going through it once I think they will feel more comfortable because you have to adjust you know the human the human psyche is very flexible and so you know it can resist change it can go crazy over having to be silent because it’s not used to it it’s you’re faced with yourself you have scary sisters but but it’s also very flexible and it is meant to go into the direction of more silence more awareness more expansion and so times like that can’t help but make people more like that so I think I think it was just a natural progression to get people to just sort of stop reflect I know you don’t want to do it but do it and so I think it’ll be more comfortable next time for most people mm-hmm who knows well I think I want to use especially with your father being an undertaker there’s what is it five or six stages of grief and some of it is anger and acceptance do you think universally or I can’t see universally I think because the u.s. is a it’s a different nugget from the rest of the world and I know people outside the US come they say that’s obnoxious of us but we’re going to do something different different I filled in the rest of the world the do you think we’re going through that five states is a grief to get to getting beyond on well tough question first of all I’m not even really necessarily aware of the five I’m aware that there are all these stages of grief I’ve never read books about that much you know I know that there’s there’s big people out there that are known for their you know their theories and their knowledge and experiments and everything and grieving my my income is from my own experience and so I know that there’s there’s different stages and there’s there’s I don’t know that it necessarily follows a pattern I think everybody is very different and the patterns might get a little mixed up or something I don’t know I can’t I can’t talk on that because I’m not an expert in kind of methodology of grieving I just know sort of the mechanics of what people go through but yeah I I think I think America is really really coming face to face and I think the grieving is really making people do it because well here’s what happens when you grieve no matter what the stage you’re in grieving brings you into your heart so deeply there is nothing that brings you into your heart like grieving and I had this experience once when I was grieving I was actually grieving the loss of a relationship and I would sit and meditate and every time I sat and meditate I would experience this place in my heart there’s a spot I can point right to it right now where that grief came from and what happened is after several weeks of just just experiencing that grief in that spot I also experienced other emotions then after a few weeks I experienced kind of joy or experience this or that and then grief and then anger and then grief and then this and then that and then I realized I sat down to meditate once and I I realized that all emotion comes from that one spot in the heart all emotion because every single emotion I experienced during that came from that same spot in the heart and so I realized that I call God in the heart because everything came from that one spot and when I realized God in the heart I also realized what wasn’t God and I realized that to the degree of ego we live is the degree of God we don’t live and you know there’s a lot of people walking a lot of spiritual ego and you don’t expect spiritual ego in a spiritual organization but yeah there’s every kind of ego including spiritual and so when I have that experience something really shifted in me and I realize the importance of being in the heart and I realize the importance of grieving because it puts you right there where that spot in the heart is where all of your emotions come from so in my perception it brings you right to God now some people may not believe in God and that’s fine whatever whatever they believe in it brings you to that but but the grief is really universal and it brings you to that place and when you’re grieving you’re so much kinder to people usually you know somebody comes up to you and you feel so much compassion for them and you know it’s it’s really something grieving is really something and it’s really important to go through the grieving process because it really enriches you if you let if you allow yourself to really really grieve not to dwell on it but just to when you feel it go through it and then when you don’t feel it don’t don’t try to hold on to it don’t try to don’t try to be sad about people passing you know so yes America isn’t a huge transformation right now and and it’s I really believe that it’s going to bring us out into into a whole nother playing field which would be so much better than we’ve been in sure and I do have that two-part question when you’re talking about grieving the loss of a relationship it brings me back to that co-creation and you mentioned being on that cloud and that pre meeting and in that meeting you have set up these relationships with people and they’re the ones that know you so well and they get under your skin so much that it can raise it to the highest heights or bring you to the lowest lows but right spiritually it seems like that that’s the relationship that is giving you that life tool to learn you might not like them in human form but on so level you appreciate the interchange that you had woody yesterday exactly exactly and in fact I wrote him a letter and I thanked him for a love so deep that brought me into so deeply into my heart it brought me into my heart where I so desperately needed to be and so I really thanked him for that because it was it was pretty life-changing when I realized what I was experiencing as a result of that then I cleaned out my my office right after that and I found I had these kind of spiritual poems and sayings and things like that if on this folder and in it there was there was something from I think of as an Upanishads and and it said oh gosh I owed artists should it knows we’re talking about this or to look it up but something about in the middle of the in the heart oh gosh I can’t remember but something about in the heart there is a small space and you should want to know who resides there and I read that and my god that was my experience so so then I Xerox that off and send it to him without a word I just you know that was it was just so good he up to realize that that really is God in the heart you know at least according to the Upanishads you know so that was my experience sure it was really powerful well let me ask you this with that I mean thank you for playing with me for this relationship to this I know that was a big moment for you yeah thank you for sharing that with sharing with the audience oh yeah I have to ask you with that relationship and being a deathwhisper did auntie so-and-so or another family member or someone close to you come to you to give you solace maybe afterwards or give you any indication of what you were about to go through before you met this person no nope not at all no it’s just that when I met the person I just knew we were going to be together and we and you know it was it was a three-year relationship it wasn’t like a life long relationship or something but it was one of those really deep ones and and so so the separation of that was like a death you know it was a death of sorts and really you know had a powerful effect just like when somebody dies it has a powerful effect because I just saying kind of mechanics it is the same mechanics only that when somebody actually does physically die it’s not just a relationship where you’re both still alive but just not together when somebody does actually die it is so final you can’t go back to that person like this person I could I could write that letter and this person I could send that quote to and I could I could resolve it and it was really felt fulfilling to do that but when someone dies you don’t have that opportunity it is final is gone they are gone and so that’s why one of the chapters in my book is about resolving before they go because it it’ll just drive you insane if you don’t because you can’t go back to them unless you’re like me and they come to you right that’s why I was looking at the light in the morning because you’ve experienced the transcendence or a pun intended right and so for those that don’t they think it’s final and so were you not doing that for a for an example I one of my sisters have transitioned a couple of years ago and when I say there’s no accidents what this next part was really helpful for me so years prior another friend of mine she had a death in the family and you know she was a son and so when her son died of course you know she’s going through those five stages we were talking about earlier but when he would come to her she was so overcome with grief at the time he was like I can’t I can’t even be at that vibration like you need to pick your vibration up if you want to be want me to be around and so over time she realized that so if she’s happy she anything’s and I want to flower something he would come around she’s like oh I get it it’s a higher vibration need to be on that you won’t come down to my level vibration and that helped me when my sister had transition of course I was going through the grief and I’m not saying every human should not go through that you’re going to go through that but to keep that interaction it seems to me as a death whisperer you’re vibrating at a different energy level that you can have these communications exactly that’s exactly right you know and that’s also the point my book is is there’s lots of points but one of them is when people transition when they pass on they they are fine I mean they literally soar you know into this into this higher vibration and leaving the people absolutely devastated and in that’s the point you know that’s why it’s so hard for those left behind because we’re the ones that are hurting not the person that’s gone they are fine so I think there is a time period when that person that soars off is also going through a little bit of a transition I’ve heard 10 days and I believe that and then after the 10 days they’re more present and that’s why you should wait and do a funeral or memorial service 10 days wait 10 days because that person will be more present with you and so they’re going through their own transition but but in a very high level and you’re going through your really deep grieving at a different level but then at some point yeah in order to really be with them you have to come to a higher vibration and that’s another reason I wrote the book as so people could realize that realize that death is not dead that you know it’s they’re not dead they are very alive and it’s a very last words I say in my book because I learned that and I learned that because I talked to them afterward and you know wouldn’t we all just love it if in an ideal world the way we would deal with the way we would have God do this is we would have somebody die and then same a month later you got to go see that person just even for five minutes you know just to find out how they are and what they’re doing and just have one more communication you know you you would be so at peace if we could do it that way but it’s not it’s just not that way because I wish it were because oh my god you know then it wouldn’t then it would just be like somebody moving out of town and you call them and say hey how is it you know but we are meant to grieve they’re meant to go through deep pain in the heart and I believe it’s to bring us the God and to open that heart it’s just to break our hearts open in love and that’s why I think we’re here otherwise we would do otherwise God would have done that I’m over here on this end this dimension I’m doing great I’m you know baking cookies or whatever see those whoa is it thanks for sharing that because I always learn something new with whomever I speak with and when you said that weight 210 days I’m going to immediately look at like etymology and where did that come from or let me ask you where did you hear it was 10 and not 20 or 3 years um I heard that from somebody who I kind of trust I got was that didn’t come from my own knowledge it which it just came from somebody I trust and I thought so here’s how I it turned out they kind of verified it and let me know I mean I hope you let me know when you study this where that came from and if it is true but here’s what I experienced in one of the depths and it’s one of the chapters in my book a good friend of mine died and and I had heard that about the 10 days so I said to his girlfriend I said let’s do the memorial service this day so that so that we passed the 10 days so we did and I’m telling you you know we had already done a memorial service and so we did another we need another dinner and we celebrated again on the 10th day and I’m telling you he was there it was really interesting and he kept kind of communicating to me and it was it was it was just wonderful it a literal miracle happened and what it was just so funny the the host of the girlfriend you know there’s I think 15 people for dinner and there was a long table I was sitting at this long table with I think 10 people and there’s five people in the kitchen at a smaller table and you know I knew Tom really well for their asking you tell stories and we were all telling stories and I was telling a lot of them and the host came out and she was okay well Deborah brought a pie and so it was a small like apple pie and there was 15 people and this served like six or maybe eight I can’t remember but it was a small pie and all of us at our table looked at each other she put that she put the plates down she put the pie down and we all looked to each other we all said dude we’re not having pie I’m not having pie I’m at it so we all knew that the pie was going into the kitchen because they didn’t know how small the pie was and so Deborah and I Deborah was cutting it I was putting on the plate and you were passing it down and cutting it putting in a plate and passing it down and at one point you know we were all still telling stories and everything like that and we heard this noise from the kitchen and it’s a voice said okay we got pie and we hid around and everybody had pie there was a snare was still a big piece that you could cut in half or Deborah and me interpret I looked at each other and we went loaves and fishes and this is really interesting because we were the people the immediate people around us just went oh my god we literally couldn’t believe it somebody came out and said oh wow Sam it came from the kitchen – oh wow it was a miracle pie you know and she kind of made a joke about it this was a miracle so somebody kept at you know somebody said hey Mauro tell us that one story about Tom and I started to talk and I just started laughing I said you guys do you guys we all got pie I mean do you see this we were just absolutely just blown away and then I realized how miracles take place you know we were all distracted telling stories and cutting pie in passing it on without even thinking about it and not even really looking too much at the pie just cutting it and passing it and talking and laughing and telling stories and in the midst of our all that conversation that I don’t know what happened we all got pie I remember calling Deborah that night and laughing so hard leaving a message I could hardly talk I said Deborah did the pie keep growing back did did each piece group did we serve the whole pie and then another one up here where he we oh my god it was just one of those really it sounds probably really crazy talking about it but oh my god for the people that were there we were just blown away and Tom was up there and he he had this stuff in his hands it kind of like clouds but a little bit heavier and he was destroying it up in the air as if to say there’s plenty there’s always enough and it was really something but that happened the tenth day that’s what I was telling you that story because it certainly seemed to verify something for me so I would really like to know what you find out about the 10th day oh absolutely and thank you for sharing that because and I will share with you I’m not sure if you know but again there’s a big nerd thing but with the atom etymology right there’s the origin of things and so most people didn’t know that and just to be topical not we don’t usually talk politics or anything on this podcast but for know for March when the president said that we’re going to open for Easter it was actually 40 days when they acknowledge the the pandemic or stay in place and the origin of coronavirus I’m sorry the origin of quarantine is actually 40 days so in many respects the the general public doesn’t know like these inner symbolisms that are happening and that’s why you know I’m happy to speak with you and that’s why I wanted to share with what you said with your father with John F Kennedy and give that story of Abraham Lincoln there’s there’s all of these sub stories beyond just what the media is sharing with us if you get your that’s so interesting that you say that no I think that’s really interesting because I think there’s the life we live like I’m in my living room right now looking at my garden talking to you blah blah blah and then there’s something else going on in another level that we don’t see you know and so yeah I agree I think I think life is in layers and the more layers we can see we develop this kind of prismatic awareness about life you know and I think I think that’s the point you know is just to see all the layers and how they’re connected and what will never I don’t know if you can ever get it all but but it’s it’s really fascinating just even what you said that forty days that’s very fascinating just on some level I I find it really interesting you know sure sure I have to ask you about a cartoon and I want to get your opinion so in the movie Coco have you seen Coco um gosh I think I did a long time ago yeah sure I did it’s like we were three years ago I mean they want option that but the premise was if you don’t dig not well you know as a step back and stepping back for a second and wasn’t because it wasn’t in the US so they were dealing with I think Latin Americans in Latin America they do have relationships once though in transition so they’re okay with that and the the premise was if you don’t keep their names active then they kind of go away and I wanted to share my grief story when I was like a lot of Americans I’ll say getting their nails dirty about their family tree and once I started I started getting these these conversations with people that I didn’t have recognized but it was just more of an acknowledgement like hey thanks for you know looking out for us I’m throwing so and I was just like asking family members be you know so it’s also so I wanted to ask had in your being a death whisper did once you started getting these communications were you going down and Lenny or have you been able to or have they been able to make their films known to you no I mean no because it wasn’t like that with me with me if it’s so far been all people that I knew people that were close to me that that’s that’s where they whispered to me so no I think that was yeah I I don’t know what what category that would be and if that would be a medium or you know I don’t know but no and that hasn’t been my experience but it’s interesting that you bring this up about remembering names or because there’s a saying that I believe and it’s when do people when does one die or I think the question is when does someone die when they are forgotten and I think that’s really powerful because people live in our hearts and I found that from grieving the mechanics of grieving that I know is this you know when you’re grieving somebody you know you’re you find people staring off into space you know or just staring off reliving memories of that person and as they relive that memory and then the next memory and then they stare off again and they relive that memory they’re incorporating that person into their heart and that’s why I think grieving is really important because you do relive memories and they you put them in a place in your heart and that’s where that person stays with you eternally and that is your connection to the divine you you have incorporated that person through your grieving and through your memories everything into your heart and that’s where they stay forever and that is that connection to them and the divine once that once that whole grieving process has taken place and they’re fully incorporated and I think that’s the purpose of breathing and that’s I mean I’m sorry grieving and breathing really fun but anyway that’s the purpose of grieving and that’s how you keep someone alive mmm you have Amazon Prime yes or okay and the reason why I’m asking because I know we’re getting close to the top of the hour I wanted to know if you have heard or watched the TV show upload no okay so it’s a comedy so it’s been out for maybe a month or so and I like what you said just recently about the connection with the divine because you’re we were saying is since we don’t know you know it’s just a 7 or 10 or we don’t there’s no protocol right like just wait two days and we’ll be able to continue to see them on the lawn or something the show’s premise is you can go to old-school route and not know or you can upload your consciousness to let’s say a server and so you’re you’re following up with people and and then it gets into a whole like you know how good is your credit because like if you want an extra pillow on the cloud that’s like three extra dollars and things like that and I put in cheek of course but I think the premise is because there may be some people that lack of a connection to of the vine it makes us feel comfortable that we can stay in touch with people when they transcend so oh yeah ever interesting yeah that’s really interesting I have to watch that I think I would really enjoy that yeah it’s kind of like up in the air I think you may appreciate it some people don’t like it just because we’re talking about death right and yeah people don’t want to approach that but I think you it may be something you would appreciate yeah I think no I think I would I’m glad you told me about that I’m I’m all in on itself yeah and that’s why I just want to keep expanding and get that that huge awareness so that I can I can more consistently just know what’s going on with with everybody when they go I wish I could tell everybody maybe I can I don’t know maybe maybe maybe I have that ability and don’t know what yeah you know for everybody I have no idea but so far it’s just been for myself and it’s so comforting and it has comforted so many people to read these stories because they realize when I’m telling them that they’re very real and they can relate to it and they know then that someone’s still alive and they really get something from that and that’s why I wrote it so people could get vicariously through me what the reality of life and death is you know it’s important for our own sanity and peace of mind and peace of heart oh absolutely and for the year 2020 and beyond I mean if this is a perfect vision we should be happy from a perception standpoint or from the expectation of what 2021 and Beyond will bring to us but to get to the first step we have to start getting learning more about our awareness and learning more about our awareness would lead us to your website in your book so if you can tell us about how they can get your book in your site and how they can get a tuff of you that’d be phenomenal wonderful thank you yes they can actually get my book on Amazon light in the morning MOU RN ing memoirs of an Undertaker’s daughter make sure you get the memoirs because there’s two lights in the morning I found out but the light in the morning members went Undertaker’s daughter and it’s the messages and how they came to me and what they were and and every single message changed how I live my life and if people can really get the you know go through that with me in the book I think they will really be in their life will be enhanced like mine was from these people who have passed so light in the morning memoirs of an actor takers daughter and Amazon and with that you have been in tune to another episode of intrinsic motivation from a homies perspective this is Hamza and Margo it was definitely a pleasure let’s stay in touch let’s definitely it was really nice to speak to you home so thanks so much for having me Cheers bye you