Nutritionist Online Programs – Alchemy of Nourishment With Esther Cohen [Interview]

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welcome to intrinsic motivation from a homies perspective podcast where we meet experts from all walks of life to learn their intrinsic motivations so that they can share it with the world what do we have in store today stay tuned to find out more [Music] good afternoon everybody you are in tuned to another episode of intrinsic motivation from a homies perspective I am Hamza and I am David and ever since we started our podcast we always like to highlight synchronicities because there are a lot of thinker and I see them a lot of connecting the dots that we do not see but sometimes when we talk about them or others talk about them we can see how the stars aligned and before we get started with our new guests before I introduce her that she is actually here based off of synchronicity so a a good friend of mine Margie Eden in Atlanta I’ve known her for years she’s really good friend she sent out an email over the holidays about a family member who had a new book out on Amazon and wanted to promote the book called alchemy nourishment and I was like she needs to be on our podcast is just what intrinsic motivation is all about we love to talk about things that are motivate people and learn about life and nutrition and so on and so forth and with that I would like to introduce Esther Cohen to the podcast welcome Esther ah thank you excited to be here absolutely so I am so I’m interested it’s interesting because the last I want to say the two last two or three episodes and we’re on I think episode 45 or 46 now but we are getting a huge concentration of people in Colorado through no intention whatsoever but it seems like that is the where all the cool kids hang out and urine in Colorado as well yeah yes that’s true I think alerts will do thing out here and but by that I think there’s a lot of people here who kind of are on the cutting edge of really I’m going to say energy medicine healing exploration really being able to integrate that into their daily life experience hmm yeah well let me let me ask you after because I remember a long time ago ad my parents had split up and we moved to Florida to be around my grandparents which was fantastic a whole nother story but what was interesting in Orlando at the time was a huge majority of folks there were from the tri-state they’re from New York Connecticut New Jersey Pennsylvania and it was like wow the second home and in Colorado I’ve heard Colorado in places like Utah they’re like California expats where you can live like California but the wages or the cost of living is a lot cheaper are you originally from California no I’m originally from Georgia that makes sense Jerry Moore so how are you related to Margie she’s my sister she’s my older sister Margie with you but I moved to Colorado when I was 17 so it’s been a long time okay I lived in the south and I was really drawn out here by the mountains the wildness I’d never grew up in the city you know I’ve never gone camping I’ve never certainly Rock climbed or anything like that and it’s just really much more of Who I am as a person to be you know in the wilderness and a lot of what my work is around I would say it’s really helping people reconnect with their wild nature that aspect of ourselves that’s not been so enculturated and and diminished and and give it voice and just allow that expression to to reconnect to our roots now you’ve been out there since you were 17 correct you’ve been out there since you were 17 yes that’s correct so let me ask you before moving out there I am a writ like I mentioned I’m originally from New Jersey David’s from California and we had different rings let’s say from the traditional Bible Belt and you mentioned that you were attracted to the wildness what was life like in Georgia juxtaposed to what was really drawing you out to call out of it oh I would say that is in Georgia I just kind of envisioned myself following in the footsteps of my older siblings and kind of doing a more traditional life of going to college maybe joining a sorority or fraternity and I don’t know getting a job I think back then I was thinking I would be a therapist a psychotherapist and and just being able to I don’t know with my life and what I thought the more patterns traditional way and I was one that I felt like I needed to really understand who I was that was more my motivating factor than who what I was going to become and what my work was going to be in the world that I needed to have a much stronger connection to who I was to be able to find out what kind of work I wanted to do in the world so at 17 I mean it’s still a very impressionable age and I’m just wondering ona stay here for a second of the you know it’s not the pressure but especially at that age your parents want what’s best for you and you’re an environment that’s really structured I’m just wondering it if they were automatically like yeah go west young lady we’d love before or like what are you thinking this through being really want to go beyond what we traditionally have done for our family I think it was a mix my father passed away when I was 14 though and I’m you know 10 years younger than my sister so I think it was a real mixture of realizing that I was having a difficult time as I I graduated high school a year early and you know I was in a place of life and really needing to to find some kind of chord in myself some kind of identity that I could you know claim as my own and feel good about and so my mother and her wisdom did she helped drive me out west she said you know I think you didn’t need to go her who you are even though it constantly rubbed against her and also you know ways that she found difficult she could recognize my spirit in my need to kind of connect with who I am so she did encourage that support that so Esther Hall how how did you how did you decide that you’re going to go to Colorado I mean I could someone at one point in time and said I really like it here or was it how did you decide that that’s where you can go well honestly I was a real daddy’s girl and when I was real little he would tell me stories he had an uncle who lived in Colorado and so it had this kind of mystique to me and I had this idea that you were going to drop like right in the middle of the mountains coming to Atlanta I had no idea what it was really like and about so I just decided that’s where I’m going to go I really had no clue of where why I was going accepted you know 1,500 miles away from what I knew Your Honor I you know I thought I had to go be in a completely new environment to have a new experience with myself mmm so when you first got there was it like right I made the right decision or was there like man what was I thinking or anything like I was I was pretty jazzed okay here and you know if you know Boulder about it and especially in those days it wasn’t nearly as crowded as it is now and it just backs up to these beautiful foothills and so I really became you know a different person I started running and mountain climbing and camping outdoors and I just loved it yeah it’s broke down my my niche Wow did you find like the surrounding areas that were attracting you away from Colorado or one thing that I personally experienced I used to be a national sales person so I got to go to a lot of fun cities but I kind of kissed the ground when I came back here did you have a similar experience of well Colorado great let’s see a couple surrounding areas if it gets any better than this yeah I did I definitely you know once I started heading out west and I started you know I went all the way to California right so I was drew Utah in Nevada and New Mexico and actually I spent some time in New Mexico when I did my internship I lived on the Navajo reservation and I loved it there but I knew that California wasn’t my place and you know even later years later went on I met my husband he was very interested in living like it in California and San Diego and you know I could say I love the area but it wasn’t my home you know it wasn’t where I really resonated with the environment I think you know you said that you moved in I mean you went through it some time in New Mexico a reservation where whereabouts in Tinley Chinle Arizona actually was right on the border of New Mexico okay was on the Navajo reservation Navajo Hopi okay while I lived in Albuquerque for 20 years so I was just curious to it yeah yes I spent a lot of time and you know oh God in Taos and Santa Fe and all around and at one point we had I was part of a spiritual community that was down with Southern in Mexico near the on the San Francisco River down there look alright now this is a stereotype or generalization but in the South they are known as a sedentary lifestyle meat and potatoes type of environment and you’re we’re here to talk about alchemy nutrition and nourishment and all that was your transition during while you were living on the Navajo reservation or did you even grow up with the traditional sedentary meat-and-potatoes lifestyle well I I grew up on I know you know kind of just given the nature of Who I am I started cooking really really young and I grew up with your typical fried chicken mashed potatoes lima beans with butter beans and I became a vegetarian by the time I was 15 and I have just been I’m a professional cook and I was cooking for family and friends you know long as I can remember so I really have II think that was one reason that I left is it at that time you know I definitely it wasn’t so easy to be a vegetarian and it wasn’t easy to kind of learn about you know I want to say natural eating I don’t even want to call it alternative eating because it’s only alternatives to what I’ll call the standard American diet it’s more original way of eating and so I just I’ve always had that as a part of my quest I should say what was it like there in the holiday when you came home for Thanksgiving oh my god you really want me guess there’s our special Sheila a special family member well everybody I got a lot of akkad I said I got a lot of flack for the fact that I really wasn’t going to like our sweet potatoes with melted marshmallows on top or the canned cranberry sauce or you know do you name it or the oh the green bean casserole with cream of mushroom soup and priced what is it onion rings on the top but but I have to say everybody was always really happy to have to cook break up the bodies and single our before we dive in your book I do want to ask you because you were able to marry the two and if they were happy to make you cook he kind of like sneak some of these some of the healthy ingredients into what was traditionally known as unhealthy oh yes and I think that’s part of the art of what I do is you know there’s a great way to make a green bean casserole that’s absolutely actually far more delicious and and just making the cold foods you don’t need to use any process or can food and it’s great and I think that’s one of the beauties of really educating people to to eat well is that when they taste it not only you know do they taste the difference they can really feel a resonance they can feel a difference and so it’s it’s an experience in my whole orientation I would say it’s into what I call body sensing where it’s about every education and allowing your body to teach you and inform you about you know whether its food or the environment having really digested and how does it feel and and does it really nourish you or not if you walk away feeling still just a little bit hungry or empty or irritated yeah there’s the argument after people eat that food it’s like it’s short-lived and you’re hungry again an hour or two later exactly yes and you know there’s such a um how can I say we have such an epidemic now you know with obesity with type 2 diabetes with heart disease and fundamentally it comes down to how we feed yourself until you’re a chef so who’s and how we don’t and we really kind of lost connection to what it feels like to to eat well and feel really good I don’t think we really know how this we are capable of feeling there’s just a lot of like oh well I’m this age so I expect to be you know a key–and and not to think as clearly and not to have it’s kind of energy that I had when I was 30 years or 40 but um I don’t experience that and really believe that’s so true yeah I agree okay right on you bring up a good point with that Esther because since you live in Boulder and part of the spiritual community I did want to bring up just recently I was listening well I listened to slide note listen to Esther Hicks Abraham Hicks all the time and and you know love their material is great so in one segment Esther or Abraham was talking about how you feel supersedes anything and so if you’re if you’re eating McDonald’s but you feel really good about not saying you should have a daily diet at all but if you’re eating McDonald’s and it feels really good then the way your body absorbs it it’s different then I’m Ian McDonald and I feel guilty about it let’s here take it absolutely absolutely I call my works of psychology of nourishment and the psychology of eating and I’ll tell you a very similar story at a client who came to me and he had very bad gut pain and he said you know I really want help but I I need to let you know that I love McDonald’s I eat it every day and you can’t take my McDonald’s away from me and I was like okay great you know and I’m thinking to myself what am I going to do here and so I said well how do you you know what’s your lunchtime like and and he said well I usually leave my office and I get in my car and I go through the drive in the drive through and I I get my double cheeseburger and fries and I eat it in my car and then I go back to work and it’s great I so locate what I really want you to do is to take that food and go to a park and I want you to sit down and you can use your phone and time yourself and I want you to sit there for 15 minutes and chew your food and and look at the scenery around you and you know eat your lunch and eat McDonald’s you know don’t change anything else I just want you to take this time so he came back to me about two weeks later and he walks in and he’s smiling and I’m like okay well what happened and he says well I feel great and I’m like well that’s great and I said well so what are you doing and he said well have you ever sat down and really uh eaten a McDonald’s hamburger slowly and tasted it and I said well honestly no and he said after three days of eating like that I felt like I had to go find myself something else to eat and he quit eating his mcdonald hamburgers lunch and he had to take the full 15 minutes to eat and it was a complete change I’m going to say energetically emotionally and physically of eating and so he didn’t have indigestion anymore and you know I think if he had really loved how it tasted that he you know perhaps could have eaten it eaten it at a slower pace eaten it in this you know beautiful natural environment and felt good but what happened was beyond my expectation and he actually tasted the hamburger and decided he didn’t like anymore Wow is another you have a beautiful story that’s great [Laughter] so I feel like a part of which what gets me you know really excited and working with clients as my objective is to teach people to educate them how to really feel and experience as opposed to think of an experience because so much of us immediately go to what I’m going to call our head brain as opposed to our belly brain our enteric nervous system and to our heart brain are you know feeling Center and so the more that we can actually have a somatic bodily experience the more it kind of um integrates fully into a cellular resonance and I think that’s what Esther Hicks was there Abraham was was talking to that we can change our our cellular capacity the health and well-being of ourselves by having a higher resonance and that resonance of pleasure in joy really allows there to be fluidity and fluidity and what I want to say mobility and receptivity within the cell because otherwise if you look at all our chronic diseases what happens is ourselves become very rigid and resistant and so they can’t receive or communicate back and forth and they can’t receive the hormonal information that’s necessary for the cell to really thrive got anything that yeah it makes total sense I would I do want to share I think you’ll appreciate this so in my own corporate life I worked with a architecture firm and we design research labs so he did the CDC lab out it and Boulder and CDC right here Atlanta what have you and so I tell them self person you know I had to go around the country so we can design that labs and all types of research labs so anyway what pertinent for this story is I was riding around with a vet at Emory who will decline and they had an experiment I want to save the late 1990s early 2000s where they said mice a steady diet of fast food for 30 days and that the mouse the mice wound up getting type 2 diabetes a car accident day 18 so it’s really interesting a study died of that in my eye and I think there was a movie supersize me or something similar happened to him yeah exactly well but there was a great study with mice where they actually took the flavor gave them you know I guess their typical mouth food and then they gave them food that had no flavor to it whatsoever and the mice died they starved to death even though they were eating the food because it never registered in their in their body in their brain without the papers Wow the taste sensation and they starve to death well now the question on the other side of that yeah so on the psychology of nourishment and you were just talking about the mice and the taste one thing that triggered me is what stood out from that I mean there were a number of things from that story about that person who went out for 15 min but I was kind of looking at some different areas the first part is the fact that that person actually sit out sat out intentionally for 15 minutes like you said at a park so all they did was actually were relaxed from they weren’t thinking about their date what was going on at work or anything like that and that gave them that cotton been a Dobbs may not have known it but it gave on that time to actually ingest the food as opposed to taking it from the drive-in eating it on the way back to the office and getting back to work where people aren’t are just feeding themselves they’re not really enjoying the food right and then the second part when you’re talking about taste I remember always being jealous if you can imagine but I was jealous of the people at work that went out for a smoke break I mean I didn’t smoke so why don’t I get the 15 minutes but the fact that they seem more relaxed because they were actually outside smoking it and they had their that taste of that nicotine potentially I’m just looking at it from the psychology of ingesting well exactly like what what I like to say I use eating as a medic metaphor and we eat everything we eat this conversation we have we’re eating the environment that we’re sitting in we’re eating the outdoor experience we’re eating the music we listen to we’re ingesting all of those impressions we’re taking them all in and how well we’re able to break them down assimilate them allow them to circulate in our body and nourish us is our capacity to be really fully nourished by life and unfortunately we remove so quickly from experience to experience that we often don’t fully assimilate and digest our experience so like what’s happened for him is he was able to actually be nourished by the park that he was sitting in in that 15 minutes in a way that he’d never experienced you know so he can if he could you know have an experience of the emptiness of the food versus the fullness of the beauty of the environment he was in now that makes sense so it’s really rather fun to observe you know just to begin to become aware and to watch these kinds of things because you know what happened when he was eating in the car is that he never really went out of sympathetic nervous system that’s if he had his foot on the gas pedal for his nervous system and that cortisol levels but he was constantly in this fighter flight and when he you know stopped and sat down he like he took his foot off the gas pedal on the whole body could go ha and have a new experience so help me out here I’m a little a little confused I thought the best time to eat is when you’re watching the nightly news dispenser you know I grew up watching the what was it the end of the Vietnam War when I was a little girl and it was always so tense I hated dinnertime great and that’s you know one of the many assignments that I give my clients is like put on beautiful music have a nice flower arrangement a candle but could not read a book or you know not watch TV until later on but even if you do watch TV that it’s more of a fun kind of experience maybe you’re with your family and and or you’re with your partner and it’s something uplifting don’t sit and watch the 6 o’clock news while you’re trying you just can’t digest both simultaneously yeah so let me ask you it usually at dinnertime a generation ago everyone sat at the dinner table and talked about their day but you know now the children’s schedules are just as packed if not more so than their parents so what are some ways that you’re getting clients to take a breath while they’re eating to have more family time well because I get so many families you know where kids have been diagnosed with attention deficit disorders or other behavioral issues and I have to explain a lot about what are called excitotoxin they’re preservatives and colorings and and different additives in our food create actual neuron excitability in the brain which contributes to why these children can’t focus and sit down so I really encourage them to try to make you know 15-20 minutes of some kind of fun mealtime and to have some conversation or you know to have some nice music playing you know and you know if you’ve got to go from 100 miles an hour and you’re trying to get down to 25 miles an hour you got to step it down so maybe they’ll watch a slower paced type of TV if they’re used to watching something but definitely not on computers or you know iPhones or anything like that because this would be the frequency that those images are flickering at really affect the brain and so it really affects your ability to be able to assimilate your food and it keeps your body in this kind of hyper tonal or hyper-vigilant state so you know I try to get mealtime to be absolutely the most important time where they can begin to shift some of these behaviors one thing though when he answering it but I was just singing about please I was thinking about the movie supersize me and in the movie they had mentioned that the other cultures outside of America when they go to the supermarket they usually go on the surrounding areas that’s where the fresh food is and most Americans usually shop inside where you have the preservatives and what have you and the other argument in the movie was well I can’t afford all that fresh food I can’t go a whole food so what suggestions would you make for someone to have a healthy diet on a budget you still have to shop the outer rim of the supermarket and we have what’s called that’s the Dirty Dozen or the dirty fifteen and those are the foods the vegetables that you definitely do not want to buy non-organic and you know as it becomes more and more of a movement in this country then we’ll see the the costs come down in organics you know it’s got to be where people stand up and make a difference because the amount of pesticides and glyco phosphate which is Roundup Ready which is in our food is is killing literally our population and so it it’s critical especially for children but adults as well to get remove that from our diet so I try to to educate people how to make simple meals you know with with Whole Foods and you know there’s plenty of beans and grains that you can buy much less inexpensively and just getting fresh foods and teaching people how to really use herbs and spices because I think that that’s a bit lost in our culture that’s you know much more prevalent in traditional cuisines you know like our Mexican food or our Indian food another the reason that we love them so much is they’re they’re really rich and herbs and spices and so they have a lot of flavor rather than flavor enhancers and then you’re naturally rich on their own you know but it is a problem I mean it’s it’s a lot I want to say it’s a it’s a social problem of economics that you know exists on so many different levels but you know one of my big now I’m going to get on my soapbox here but I very affected by the lead poisoning in Flint Michigan and I really wanted to go out there and raise the money to make smoothies detoxification smoothies for the children that basically had a lot of berries in them and foods that actually can detoxify heavy metal poisoning and get some good fish oils in there and some probiotics all the foods disease children because they’re on poverty level they never have and naturally chelate the genes that you can naturally find to those toxins and remove them out of the body and you know it’s just really difficult to get funding and to not to get funding but I was just trying to get you know the mayor and the doctor who is in charge of the study just to get their attention like hey let’s do something to start to detoxify these kids and so that they can be healthy because this lead poisoning is extremely serious and it’s going to affect not only their physicality but their mental behavioral development and it’s really hard to get this kind of cultural change that that you know can make that happen give you a lot of pushback I got like no reception whatsoever you know like they just you know they didn’t want to hear about you know it’s very interesting with two years later they still don’t even get good water yeah so it’s really it’s kind of a wash but what’s really sad and I think that is kind of unknown is that so many of our public water systems do have high lead content and you know there’s a lot of research out right now that’s showing how higher levels of these heavy metals lead to more criminal behavior hmm and so you can start to you know to see such a big link between poverty and you know behavioral issues and then criminal issues and you know that inability to really kind of pull yourself up by the bootstraps but you know because already been negated from early childhood development development we want a whole nother tangent a lot of Temple has talked about that they’ll eventually school systems across the country it just really changed one thing that is really interesting I’m glad we’re having this conversation now because it’s January 17 2008 een and if we look at the numbers by February first everyone that started with their intention for a New Year’s resolution goes away so you know hopefully we’ll get the message out with people here in your your ear talk but when you talk about when you talked about Michigan it made me think of like you said the psychology and the the misnomer of a smoothie it seems like a luxury like that’s something that some upper class person would pay for and that’s unfortunately what is the association when you say that that’s probably why you didn’t get any feedback and one thing that I found is after Amazon collude last year a lot of their prices have come down considerably so you know it’s more of getting that message out there that there are alternatives one of which is the alchemy of nourishment so I’d like to have you talk about you know how you started the alchemy of nourishment what that foundation is talk about your book but how did it all come about let’s see I mean if she could say this is kind of been my passion ever since I was very young and such it I’ve been cooking and as I grew older I I gravitated and tried to learn as much as I could about cooking with full service and at a very young age and I was like 20 21 I started a whole food catering company and so I learned to bake bread mix our dough’s make basically all our foods from scratch and it was tremendously successful which led me to go and get my masters in nutrition I was an artist that’s my undergraduate degree and I became kind of dogmatic about there must be a better way to be healthy than what I were I know and where I please brother and so I basically just followed my passion and that led me to meeting some really extraordinary people and then I began to really understand that it was much more than if the kind of the science or the vitamins and minerals that make up our food that there’s a whole nother quality to our food that I call the energetic qualities you know we talked about things resonated with one other that there’s a vibrational essence or quality of the food and how it grows and where it is and what kind of food it is that also gives us a quality of energy and and that equally is important as you know that the way we can measure vitamins nutrients or fats and carbohydrates and proteins so you know first I went the how can I say the scientific route and then I had to go but why just you know two people who eat the same foods in the same quantity why is one heavy and the others not why is one depressed than the others not so you know I I’m kind of a nerd that way I had to study the psychoneuroimmunology and and understand the science so that I could make a bridge between the science and what I’ll call the energetics or that vibrational world that Esther Hicks Abraham speaks through her about and and so my book is called the art science magic of eating and it really explains about the fact that we are eaters and we eat everything you know read our conversations we and we eat our dinner and so what is the quality of the nourishment that we’re taking in and the higher that quality the more efficient and the more the fuller our nourishment and that really equates to to thriving and a certain vibrancy and health and and our relationship to to others and to everything that we’re doing one thing I found and I did I didn’t know until I started doing some research on on talking to you but I saw that there’s a market for even a vegan dog food and do you write I was like what are you serious but apparently there’s a market for and I’m thinking in Colorado it’s probably a normal conversation that yes I’m vegan and so does my dog or is that the case out there I mean I have to say that my dogs eat grain free diet so that’s because I’m looking at well what did a dog to eat I mean dogs didn’t go around eating corn yeah you know if you look at the you know kind of the evolution of the dog or the wolf they ate meat and that’s what there’s that’s how their system has evolved to digest so for many of us the foods that we eat they they didn’t even exist 50 years ago so we have no biological capacity to really digest those foods yeah yeah there’s so many chemicals that are in there that our bodies can’t recognize especially when you get to the foods that like are the no fat you know like olestra and you know aspartame that are our our biology our cellular makeup cannot recognize those chemical substances well we did have we you know how long has men been around four hundred thousand years and you know 20 years of that kind of chemical going through our body is like a half a second on a you know evolutionary clock to nothing yeah what what is it going on well you take on our vaccines for children oh my goodness you’re really opening up a big door here David let’s poke in the hornet’s nest introduce you to my mom conversation on that one oh my gosh that’s a big one I think that there’s a great memories I’m going to make it brief but this is there’s a lot of information and I’ll actually email you this particular movie that you should watch a lot of things are going into vaccine since Ronald Reagan was president that have never been in vaccines and they do not have to be scientifically tested by the different drug companies and there’s a lot of research out there of what’s happening when we give these vaccine in third-world countries because we don’t do the research here in our country and I really advise my clients to not get the whole package there’s way too much invasion on the immune system at once and there’s a lot of time chillers and transport in these vaccines that are very harmful to the body so I like my client to allow their their children to be older and to get their immune systems to start to develop and have strength on their own and then simplify the vaccine you know that’s a huge education that that’s got to happen and there’s you know honestly there’s a lot of money that keeps that from happening yeah we want to be honest remitted that’s a big can of worms I was really surprised last year when our current president our Canadian chief they asked him about vaccines and was he going to get a flu shot one happy he’s like that stuff never works and I was just like the lobbyists and the pharmaceutical industry would be knocking on his door first thing in the morning I’m I never really did and then look who he nominated for the head of this all right yeah so they did they nothing historian you know is easy for them because he said so many things that he says the opposite the next day right oh yeah but I had a real problem you know even on NPR like a couple weeks ago they’re talking about you know we have a new strain of flu that spreading through the country this year and they start off the the report talking about how they had it in Australia and our typical flu vaccine isn’t really um as they designated it doesn’t really help diminish this new you know species of flu but we should get the flu shot anyway okay the next segment was and you know and one of the reasons you should get get it is because if you go to church and you have a cold and you know you’re going to feel pretty bad about giving the flu to your you know congregation members and I was just like oh my god is so crazy whoa you know here we have a flu shot that doesn’t necessarily it’s not even that’s very effective and not only that we’re playing and everybody you know guilt and conscious whether you decide to get the flu shot or not so it’s it’s a big arena that you know I’m glad it’s starting to come up the conversation but you know well since we got your riled up I guess we’ll keep it going a little bit so let me okay so let me add fuel to the fire here s there so you had mentioned into the past 15 years or so you know our bodies have been trying to adjust to all these different additives and preservatives that are in our food and in our water what have you what’s your take on that as being a response to potential food shortage with this population growth and this is how if people knew how much actual natural food exists there would be panic so let me make sure I understand the question right are you saying that we have a food shortage of natural foods there’s one person or one perception out there that all these additives exist so they can kind of spread the food out to the population that so they can eat instead of not eating I think that that’s a complete lie that’s being said to the culture and that it’s run by excuse me Monsanto that genetically modified the foods and creates all the psycho phosphates that are pesticides and growth hormones to go on the food and so there’s lots of wild foods and there’s there’s plenty that we can you know grow in a much more organic and buy organic I mean you know in a more dynamic relationship with you know this nature this these these different chemicals and genetically modified to actually create insects that are resistant to these different chemicals so that they mutate and become stronger and you know it’s the same way with you know penicillin and antibiotics there’s now we’re becoming resistant to it these bacteria has mutated and has evolved to be resistant to these antibiotics we have a huge you know issue today as a culture and so we’ve got to learn how to grow our food in a way that doesn’t strip the natural minerals and the microbiome out of our soils so that we can produce a healthy population of people I totally we get to round up a little bit you did you guys that’s a big topic and yeah just you know I like to be able to you know state how can I say research and be able to do that which not knowing what we’re going to talk about I don’t have those things in front of me but you get my bit more emotional input in my my concern you know a lot of my book is about detoxification is just really help toxic our food system has become you know and that our bodies can’t handle that toxic burden and you know that’s why we’re seeing astronomical numbers of people with diabetes cancer and all kinds of diseases and these are all diseases that are external that are internally created we’re you know at the turn of the 19th century was the first time we began to see disease that came became internal as opposed to externally originated hmm interesting yeah I mean it’s a huge shift oh just for the record so we I just want to have it on the record there’s a lot of people still look at Monsanto but I know that they were acquired by their or they have some type of partnership with Bayer now so a lot of people aren’t looking at Bayer where they may be doing more research under the Bayer umbrella while people are still focusing on Monsanto but I did mention you did mention in the 1900s you started looking internally or the trend was to start looking internally kids you let us know how you I see on your site that you’re listed as an intuitive nutrition counselor so we’re part of the into it what is the process when somebody comes to see it intuitive nutrition counseling okay so I’m when I can read energy like I’m a medical intuitive so I see where there is stagnation or where there is a merit system is not functioning correctly and then I’m also looking at like you know why my question in exploration is you know why is this breast cancer in this woman and maybe you know ovarian cancer in another woman or type 2 diabetes like I’m looking at not only you know okay you’ve got this disease and and how are we going to remediate it or how are we going to heal it but I’m trying to understand more of what the expression is about in other words I look at there’s a all our organs and all ours our physiology holes of consciousness and by that I mean our liver you know not only does it work physiologically but how it works physiology to be logically informs us about how it works energetically like the liver we call it the liver because it has the capacity to rejuvenate itself you can lose two-thirds of your liver it can regrow itself right so it’s really about that quality of regeneration and it holds a consciousness as you can understand through Chinese medicine of being a visionary and the liver is very connected to the eyes as well and it has these capacity effects being the general in that when the health of the liver is is optimal the rest of the body it cleanses the blood that goes to the heart so when we digest food it goes immediately to the liver that detoxifies it and then sends it senses pure nutrients to the heart so it performs over 500 functions and it’s like the workhorse of the body so if somebody has a liver issue we’ll say I’m looking at you know how are they over doing how are they over living how are they under living where does their sense of vision and the ability to like see the big picture how is that affected you know in their life where do they feel like they lost their spirit so we’re looking more energetically to explore some of the beliefs habits and patterns that each person holds that’s affecting their physiology over time that make sense no that was those a great explanation and we are actually at the top of the hour this hour has flown by definitely since we got you riled up I want to see if we can just you round up for another 60 minutes you can see I kind of passionate about all this oh yeah no not at all not at all please if you remember send us an email with the documentary about the vaccines I’d love to see it and for those on the podcast if you hit up those on the podcast if you listen and you go to intrinsic motivation about life and you send us an email I might share that documentary with you so there’s a little incentive on that maybe wish before we head out I would love for you to give us your cut where we can find you and you have a brand new book out on Amazon I feel free to plug that and where else they can find you on the world wide web at my favorite one that I make what is it so it usually has a handful of watercress and a handful of spinach and blueberries and a little bit of black cherry juice not from concentrate and a little bit of fish oil I like to think of it as a delivery system some homemade yogurt and maybe a half an apple Wow sounds good and that’s it and then I mix it all up different ways but that’s my favorite all right well my lemon ginger blast you probably heard of those yep no my absolute most favorite drink and you’ll have to look in your book it’s tumeric sunrise oh yeah yeah I use the altmer to my lemon ginger blast and maybe what’s allowed habanero habanero chili you know it’s also blue and it’s a blast yeah yeah that’s a hot one but it yeah okay I will just think move in though yeah clean yeah I’m going to follow your suggestion after and do that watercress of spinach as I watched x-files next that will be my little treat for tonight my to this for water crashes with the most anti-cancer plant on the planet water kefir yeah and it’s nice but you know it gives you that I seen it absolutely wow that was it that was a great way to end it and it was definitely a pleasure ester Cohen you have been in tune to another podcast episode of intrinsic motivation of a homies perspective this is Hamza and I am David and Esther definitely thank you we thank you for taking the time to meet with us and let’s stay in touch so we can have you on for a future episode yes wonderful thank you so much this has been really fun yeah [Music] [Music] thanks again for checking out another episode of intrinsic motivation from a homeless perspective podcast please check us out on our website at intrinsic motivation dot life where you can click on the speak pipe button and leave any suggestions for a future podcast that you’d like us to cover also check us out on our social media sites we have a YouTube channel Facebook page iTunes podcast in addition to stitcher and Google Play all under intrinsic motivation from a homeys perspective check you out next time have a great day you

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