Good morning. Good evening. Good afternoon, everybody out there in podcast land. You are in tune to another episode of intrinsic motivation from a Homie’s perspective. This is Hamza. And before we get started, I want to give a shout out to the big brother Big Sisters program. My Little graduated earlier this year, I’ll be a virtual, but they did start school here in Georgia and was with them for 10 years. So for any men that are out there listening to the podcast, they definitely need your expertise, and they would love it and I think you would probably get more out of it then the kids would. So there’s a ton of women so I’m not saying when it joined Big Brother Big Sister, but I know for mine for my little It was about a year and a half before we even partnered, that’s just showing the the lack of male presence. So with He’s in college. I think he’s going to set him up pretty well for the first year. But we have an author today, who is the author of sharing my lens, the college experience. And we’re going to talk a lot about this author because she’s worked globally. She has a background, MBA, and for business, as an entrepreneur, she does spiritual development. She covers the gamut. And I think that you guys are really gonna enjoy this podcast. So without that, I would like to welcome Juliet Nelson to the podcast. Welcome, Juliet.
Hi, thank you so much for having me.
Yes, yes, yes. Thank you for making it. And as we were talking before the podcast started, we find ourselves here and August 2020, probably busier than ever. So for those that listen to intrinsic motivation as you you probably are busy too. We don’t have to watch the doom and gloom. All day and think that the sky is falling, because I think Juliet will concur that there is a lot going on. And we want to be a part of that. So again, thanks for making the podcast.
Thank you again.
Yeah. So for writing the sharing the lens, the college experience, if it were 2019, I will probably have a whole list of different questions. But now, there are so many iterations of what school mean, from elementary to college, you know, and do we go to school virtually? Do we go to school? One on One, what’s the pros and cons? If I have to go in virtually for a whole year Do I still have to pay $50,000 a year? Did you wrote the book before? 2020 though, that Yeah,
I did. I interestingly enough, I wrote the book. It was published in November. Fall of 2019 I believe is the date.
Okay. So happy early anniversary as you celebrate your one year anniversary, as they say so much happens in a year. So what has life been like since the book was published?
, if I’m being honest, I haven’t had I know you mentioned being busy. And I unfortunately, I’m one of the workaholics of the world. So I haven’t really had the chance for it to sink in that I’m a published author. And I tried to look at life a little more through a simple lens as complicated of a person I can be. So for me, it’s kind of like, Hey, I’m the same Juliet. But, you know, it was something that it was actually a gift to myself for my birthday. So I, I felt like I was just doing so much and I wasn’t really taking time to do some things that allowed me to just release feelings, emotions, whatever it was. And so that’s how the book came out. But, you know, everyone’s like, Oh my goodness, you’re a published author and I, I handled the whole publishing. I handled the whole publishing cycle myself. So yeah, I haven’t really had the time to allow it to sink in. I will say, however, it’s nice to know that it does make an impact. You know, I’ve heard from students and adults alike of how, you know, the book has spoken to them. You know, it is primarily catered towards students first high school students than college students. But, you know, I’ve had adult Some chose not, didn’t go to college for whatever reason whether it was a choice or they were not able to some who long gone graduated. And for them, you know it, it allowed them to take a little different perspective on themselves as well, about self development, about being a learner of life’s journey, right? Even if you’re not
necessarily sitting in a classroom,
you always want to be in a posture where you’re open to learning, you’re open to evolving and you’re open to growing. And so that’s, that’s really what that’s really what it’s been like since it’s been published, especially in this environment. I find a lot of people coming back and referring to the book and giving me feedback on the book as to how it’s really helped them to manage their learning and figure out who they are and how they learn and what they need. And I think that’s very important, especially in today’s climate where there’s Just an immediate shift, but no one was ready for it. And when you really don’t have enough of an understanding of yourself and your needs that makes it challenging to adjust. So, overall, that’s, that’s really how it’s been like and of course, being keeping busy for myself. We’re actually relaunching our publishing company as its own subsidiary, under my company in January. So it’s just another opportunity for writers and, and, and authors to share their stories, their passion and their purpose and their vision. So
no, that’s phenomenal. And I mean, there was a lot wrapped up in there, which could, you know, be a doing podcast?
I do want to ask about, I mean, there’s no such thing as accidents. And I love saying that there’s no such thing as coincidences. And when you said that, to be open Learning in 2020 that is such an understatement because it from an attachment standpoint, even if you are let’s say pedigreed, you may say, Oh, well, I’ve done this and this and this. Well, what does that mean in 2020? Right? Like, it’s an old Janet Jackson, question, what have you done for me lately? And how hard is it to break from what you were used to doing as an attachment and being open to learning if it’s not new, so how do you let’s say your muscles atrophied, right, like I never, for the most part, people that we speak with, on the podcasts and just in real life, his life is typically linear, like go to school, go to college, get the picket fence, the kids and all that, and then around, you know, mid 30s or beyond, then it’s like, Whoa, okay, what’s going on, and then they start start doing our life purpose. Now, it just seems in 2020, that’s accelerated. So if you’re not, if you’re used to Little bit linearly with some type of techniques that you can do to open yourself up to learning.
I would really say take time to the first learning journey is learning yourself. And I think that’s why we live life linearly, because we haven’t necessarily learned ourselves and when I say learning yourself, understanding who you are, your personality, how you function, how you interact with yourself, how you interact with others, right? And what happens is as children, we’re almost told how to live. Right. And this is generally society, right? We’re told that you know, you usually will go to school, you know, you go to school, then I know my parents are from the Caribbean. So traditional Caribbean, you go to school, you go to church, you come home, that’s just the structure and then some way somehow when you’re done with school, you get a job. You get married, you have children, and then The cycle continues. I think when you learn yourself, you’re able to discover your purpose. And so life doesn’t become so linear anymore, right? Even if you are going to school and you graduate from school and you get married, and you have kids, and it almost follows that path, it’s not so linear, because there are things that that you’re doing along the way to add to that cycle of life that you’re going through. For myself, you know, I discovered my purpose a little early. And, and people say that I’m stubborn. I say that I do what I want. So I need to take more responsibility for it. But I chose that when I graduated from college, I chose to go to South Korea and be a teacher. And honestly, it wasn’t something I put much thought into.
I saw the opportunity.
And I said, Yeah, I see I’m just going to do this. And that’s really how that went for me. But that was also part of my choice of saying, You know what? Yes, there’s this path, but there are different adventures I can embrace along the way. Right. And in doing that, I was able to discover this, this love for life and, and learning about people from different cultures and backgrounds. From there, when I came back to the United States, and I was working, you know, I was able to live life with it a little differently. I was running from being a children’s choir director, which is very much part of who I am. I was running from that calling and when I came back to the States, eventually that’s something that I jped back into, but it was something I was able to do with more purpose, more vision, and and really, with being having a goal of, of wanting to make an impact on the kids that I work with. Not just doing it to say I did it, but knowing that They work, their lives would be impacted, the way they looked at the world would be impacted by how I developed a relationship with them and was truly invested in their growth and development. And so once again, my my, my recommendation is really learning who you are right? Understanding the introvert or the extrovert and understanding how you perceive the world. How are you processing the world, don’t go through life looking to serve up to fill a position, right, or specific roles. I always say that when when we’re kids, they always tell us what do you want to be when you grow up? What I think you should be asking kids is what do you want to do? Because in that way, now they’re able to tap into themselves, even at their young age, and see how they can make an impact in the world. And that’s where you go from moving linearly to living with purpose, and being able to take on these small little opportunities. And go on these different adventures throughout your life and really be able to get to your 30s now and look back and say, Wow, I did so much and I’ve grown so much, you know, along along my life’s journey. So
I love it.
Let me ask you where in the country are you right now?
I am currently located in Maryland in the DC metropolitan area. 20 minutes out from DC.
Okay, DMV, all right. And reason why I’m asking that is in I finished high school in Florida, and I’m finishing high school in Florida. They’re in Central Florida. They’re originally from New Jersey. And so in Central Florida and South Florida, there’s a lot of tri state people New York, Connecticut and jersey. And then there’s a lot of people from the Caribbean and so you get to six Closer to people from the islands from Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic and see all these differences. And I’m bringing it up because I’m wondering if you’re waving the flag as of this week with the VP you know, her dad’s from Jamaica. Are my Indian. Does that give you a sense of pride? Like look how far we’ve come and how do you feel about that acknowledgement that happened this year.
This week? Absolutely. , I my parents are Haitian so I have a Haitian background. But I tell you right now, I love my Jamaican people. I do have friends that are Jamaican, and and honestly, I, historically, Jamaica had some part to play in kt becoming the first independent state in the Caribbean. So I have a deep love and appreciation for Jamaican so when I found out that Kamala became Biden’s running mate, Kamala Harris is extremely proud. You know, and it’s not even a how far we’ve come, right? Just how now how it’s just nice to see that the hard work of our ancestors is at least being recognized in some way, shape or form. And, you know, this is something I’m always proud of, even if I go to the doctor, you know, I go to the doctor and I’m able to see the have, you know, hematologist to his Muslim. I have an allergy specialist to is Hispanic. And, you know, my primary care doctor, she’s Asian, and as a minority even seeing it at that level. It makes me so proud because it’s like, wow, we’re able to make an impact. And even though we live in this world that that to me sometimes, more often. Often times kind of corrupt, right? With the differences of opinion and so on and so forth. It’s just really nice to see that someone notices us, someone notices that we are able to make an impact that we do provide value. And so no matter what people’s political stances are, or what their preset perceptions of Kamala Harris are, the fact that you know, she’s come from an Indian and Jamaican blend, in terms of her background, it really represents the sacrifices of our ancestors, and it represents, you know, our ability to make an impact and, and really achieve our purposes
in some way or another. So,
yes, I think on a grand scale, overall, right, it’s huge. And, you know, luckily for me, I’m a twin but I have a twin sister, so you could tell the difference, right? But with some Some twins that are identical, right? It’s hard to differentiate the two. And after undergrad I lived in Dominican Republic and right neighbors. And it was so difficult for me to make the distinction between a Dominican and a Haitian, but they have the difference. And then I like what you look like. You know it is it’s really funny to see how the little inner workings with different cultures. But with you having the Haitian background and living in South Korea, and living in the DMV, I have family in the DMV and what you said is so common with you have people from all walks of life in these leadership roles, that it’s kind of common and that it’s normal, whereas in other parts of the country isn’t so with you could you make distinctions between your upbringing with the Caribbean background versus how was it to adjust in South Korea? And then ultimately, you know, land back here and apply everything you’ve learned?
Yeah, I will say. So when you’re living in a different country. And this is something I tell people, you really have to go with an open mind. You have to you can’t go in this country acting like you’re going to change people. Because you’re you’re the foreigner now, right? And so going into South Korea, I had to go in with that mentality. But I will tell you this much. There is so much that
Caribbean culture has
in similar to Asian culture is called. They’re given different names. And they might look differently, but there’s so much we have in common. I know especially with honorifics. When you see an adult especially or someone you don’t know, in Asian culture, you bow right You locked your head. In Haitian culture. I know when you walk into a room with adults, we have to kiss every single adult on the cheek. Okay? It can be 50 adults in that room and you’re walking in and you’re kissing every adult on the cheek and I remember being a kid, I would come home. And you know, if I just said hi to everyone and I went upstairs to my room. I parents say you didn’t greet me. And because I didn’t greet them with the kids, because that’s that’s how I was recognized in our culture. And then the same thing in Korean culture, the way you greet, someone is not just saying hello, but bowing. So I found a lot of things that were similar and I chose to embrace those similarities. Some of them were even funny I know Haitians we love right now there is no even Jamaican too. There is no for the most part Caribbean party or function without right and so going to Asia, Asia and living in South Korea, I’d always thought you know, there is no one who can eat more rice than Haitian people and Caribbean people. Then I got in Korea, and then the rice was breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks, the side dish. And I was like, wow, you know, we really do have things in common. But the interesting thing was that they look at us in the West more from a European lens. So when they when we would have I would have small little, you know, potlucks with my students in the beginning and the end of the term, and they would say, Miss Juliet, feature Juliet. You like bread, right? You don’t like rice? And I’m like, who said out of like rice? And they’re like, well, you’re from the United States. Do you guys like bread you don’t like right? And I have to clarify that. Yes, I do love bread. But, you know, I come from a Caribbean culture where we eat right? All the time. So you know, in in funny ways like that in terms of how we eat, but also in behavior, how we value community, how we value family, how we honor, you know, our parents, our grandparents. Once again, they might look differently. But it’s just so interesting how much we have in common. And so being able to establish, you know, a sense of community, with my students, with people I’ve met in Korea based on those things that we had in common, and that was a choice I made, you know, to emphasize the things I’ve had in common and I’ll tell you, it really helped build the relationships I was able to make my roommate she is Puerto Rican. So it was also nice to, you know, for us to also find the things that we had in common among our two cultures, and then use those to, you know, provide a good experience to our students. So coming back to the United States. It was just nice to know that I just had a little bit more culture in me. Now, I wasn’t born and raised in South Korea, but it almost became a part of me. And I took that with me and it’s to the point. And I failed to mention this. But my mother’s side of the family when she was young, they all moved to St. Maarten. So, I have a lot of cousins born in St. Maarten, and they speak with a heavy Caribbean accent. And that also impacts how I see. So I came back from from South Korea in the United States, and all of a sudden people are saying where are you from? And like, I’m from New York. And I know that there’s an accent in there and I don’t know what to put. Are you from Jamaica? Like Where are you from? And I realized it was just that blend of having lived in South Korea having family from Haiti, having families from st Maarten and also being surrounded by a community, especially from the Caribbean. That kind of helped make me basically it helped shape how I present myself almost without even realizing it. But now in my work, I think it even helps me just to be more sensitive and more welcoming to people, in spite of their backgrounds. You know, sometimes I think we see things that people do, but in stead of really asking, Why do they do that we’re quick to
attach labels to them. Right. And I think it causes me and I’ll speak for myself, just to be more sensitive. To be open to having a conversation, to be open to speaking about myself. I know. Here in the United States, you don’t walk up to a black woman and touch their hair. Korea, that was a common thing for me, where people walked up to me and wanted to touch my hair, they would touch my skin. But I had to understand that they don’t see it every day. Right? It’s not something common. So coming back into the United States, I also came with a mentality that if I’m going to work, whether it’s with a client or just meet someone, before jping to that conclusion of being angry, I first needs to kind of check in with myself and see how were they conditioned to think, is there something for them to maybe learn a little bit about me? And for me to learn about them? If they are not in the posture to receive it? At that point, it makes sense to say, you know, they might be insensitive, or they might be taking a stance of ignorance if that’s what they choose to do. But before me reaching that conclusion, I allow myself the space to say okay, which where are they coming from, and sense of their environment. And how is that conditioning their behavior? Yeah.
It there’s while there’s so much to unpack from that, one of which is, how did you get to South Korea? How did the opportunity presented so, and then a little backstory to that is in undergrad, I had an opportunity to sign up with the Peace Corps. And it’s like, nine months for the whole application process, you know, the psych, eval and all this other stuff. And so, one thing that I had to check myself was that I was in college, I was a vegetarian, like, we were going to Ghana, so they were like, if she go to Ghana, like, if they don’t have, you’re not in the urban area, so you’re out remotely, and they’re like, you better eat whatever they bring you. You know, it’s like they’re offended if you don’t do that. And then they were told, like some of my well, white counterparts that they Were run away from them just because they hadn’t seen, you know, a person of that hue before. Right. So every place is different. And I wanted to know, what was the opportunity that led you to go into South Korea?
So I am Seventh Day Adventists, I went to a youth conference
for young people. And they were they had like this exhibition of different seven Day Adventists organizations and agencies around the world, you know, promoting their services or getting volunteers to sign up. So I went to that youth conference and I’m walking around the exhibition, and I stbled upon some youth English Institute, from South Korea, and they said they were looking for English teachers. I think I was maybe in my second to last year of college, I believe, of undergrad and I said, Well, I’m not an education major, but I’ll definitely pop the information. Along with any friends that might be interested, and they said, No, all you have to have is a bachelor’s degree. And I said, Okay, so I signed up for the opportunity I interviewed for it. And you know, the rest is history. Now, as some context, my father is a history teacher. And as a kid, I might one of my first dream was to be a teacher. It’s a very trivial reason. So you can judge me if you want, but in the sixth grade, we’ve had to have like superintendents day, where the kids get a day off from school, but the teachers actually have to come in for, you know, professional development. I didn’t know that I thought everybody was off. So we come back from our day off and you know, everyone’s like, how was your day off and so on and so forth. And the teacher said, I don’t get a deal. That’s the deal for you guys. And I was mortified. I said, Absolutely not. And I and I literally threw the whole thing away. I’m not about to have my students taking the walk, one day off out of the whole entire year. And all the days off that we already get. I’m not going to have them sitting home and I have to come to work. That’s not fair.
I put down and I said, I don’t want to be a teacher anymore.
That was actually part of my purpose. I just I didn’t know how it would reveal itself. Right. So going to South Korea, I really didn’t even realize what I was doing. Until my plane was flying over Japan. And I realized like he couldn’t go back. Like you’re in Korea for a year. So basically, yeah, that’s that’s kind of how that happened. And and you know, the rest is history, but I will say, that’s really where I discovered that skill for teaching and not not only discovered it, but also embrace it. I kind of accepted that. Yeah, Julia. You are an educator, you do teach, you might not do it in a classroom setting. But you do it as a choir director, you do it in training and development, you do it as part of your company. So that’s kind of that that set as the precedent for me discovering that skill. And I think that’s also why part of why I said hey, it doesn’t hurt to try it. Because I knew at some point in my life, I wanted to be a teacher. So I’m like, it’s one year, it doesn’t hurt to try. And and it’s something that’s really impacted my life in the long run. So
absolutely. And one of the biggest channels, at least to my knowledge on YouTube, is the study of the nice lady abroad but living abroad, and they have these blacks or Caribbean’s and Korea and all over Asia. And earlier this week, there was an article in the Wall Street Journal about black black x Pat where From my one of my sisters, she worked at GE for years in Germany. And in an article, they were just saying how they kind of let their hair down. And it was just a different life without worrying about things hearing in the States. So I wanted to know, have you ever thought about since you got your feet wet of going back and living in South Korea or going back to Asia?
I considered visiting I, I decided I wouldn’t want to go back and work there. Now. I would love to work abroad. I would love to travel as part of my work. I will say that there are cultural differences. And you’ve got to be very well aware of that. It doesn’t make them bad. It just makes them different. And so with that, I kind of said I’m okay with how the work culture is in the United States while still honoring how it is in Asia. Or in South Korea. With that being said, I would be open to maybe going to work in South Korea or in any other country on behalf of a company from the United States. Because in that sense, I still feel that there’s some level of coverage I get from, you know, headquarters in the States. But it still allows me the chance to adjust to another culture and and build good relationships with people in that other cultures. So that’s, that’s my perspective. But, you know, I think I would probably even more preferred to just have that life of travel where I’m able to travel to Asia for a couple of weeks and, and or wherever Asia, Europe, Africa, any country, in those continents and, you know, meet new clients meet business partners. nerves and and and collaborate in some form or another. I think that’s more of what I envisioned for my life. Whether that will happen or not, I’m not exactly sure. But that is probably what I would prefer.
Yeah, sure. I mean, it’s definitely doable, especially 2020. If I look at the pandemic, Ilan Musk said, I’m going to keep my business open. Because overseas in Asia, no one’s getting sick, right. And so, we know that some silicon companies, Silicon Valley companies do have locations throughout Africa, just because the cost of living is so inexpensive. So we are living in a flat world. It sounds like that you’re positioning yourself to be a part of that. So that’s also
I did want to ask you about, let’s just say, since we’re we weren’t around, let’s say in the 1960s, or the 50s when you traveled overseas, Had a quote unquote black experience. And in 2020, you know, everyone’s getting and they’re taking their ancestry tests and learning more about their history. So they can say, Hey, I’m Haitian American, or, you know, like Camila, Jamaican descent. What have you. And you said in Korea that they kind of looked at you from a Western standpoint. Did you? Do you see yourself or do you see today more of a clarification of No, this isn’t the amount of American if you will, or in my experience, I whenever I leave, before I used to say African Americans, and then the Africans, they kind of said, No, you’re a black American. And I was wondering, being from the Caribbean, what was it like as far as Was it an education or did you kind of pick your battles as to establishing your full identity overseas?
It’s more education versus understanding and then that is education. And also, you have to keep in mind that how English is used across different cultures is very different. Right? So, in Korea, their use of English is first influenced with, influenced by how to use Korean. Right? And you know, if someone calls you a black person, or even a negro, right, in a different country, it might just come from the fact that in their native tongue, that’s what it’s called. Right? So the first thing I had to do is first try to understand what their perspective was, and where they were coming from, because you can’t really clarify anything or educate if you don’t know what the person knows, and maybe what they might need to what needs to be clarified. And then from there, I would just say, you know, my family is from Haiti. And a lot of them don’t know what KD is, or where Haiti is. When I mentioned the earthquake
that hit Haiti
about 10 years ago, that clarified it for a lot of them, because that was something that was just International. But a lot of them didn’t know what Katie was. And so it’s just a little bit of education saying, you know, my parents were born in Haiti. And also, once again, with the Western perspective, I think they presented that European, it’s more of the European influence on the culture. And so that’s what’s portrayed. And so that’s what they might asse. Now, that doesn’t say that they they don’t know much about black culture, because you know, with the dance, song and all of that a lot of that is influenced by black culture, African culture. But in terms of our behaviors, how we live our day, for them, the assption is very European. So It was just it was often just a teachable moment and saying, you know, my parents are from Haiti. And these are and and we have a lot in common than you might think. And instead of separating myself from the European culture, my goal was more to connect myself more to their culture, insane. As a Haitian American, as a Caribbean American, this is what we have in common. We have a lot of respect for adults. The way you greet adults here is different in Haiti. But you know, there’s a lot of emphasis on how you greet people, how you speak to people, how you interact around people, you know, your community, your family, that that collective culture, it exists in Haiti. You know, when you leave your parents home, you don’t forget your community, you come back and you serve, or you come back and you do something that will impact the community in very similar in Asia. So That that was really much my approach, you know, not really trying to debunk or crush their thoughts, but, you know, bring some understanding, and then say we have a lot more in common than we don’t.
mm salutely and that kind of picked me back. I know you already answered. But in Korea, and as you mentioned in Haiti and in the Caribbean, there is that that acknowledgement of your of your elders, and more so than states. And so, do you feel again, that’s probably another way of approaching the same question. Do you see that growing in your later years that it will be easier to move back to either the Caribbean or Asia?
not necessarily, I think is. I guess my trip. is trying to connect with people here and and building those relationships but also finding, finding a way to build understanding among people here. Now do I want to impact
find a way to impact
my community in Haiti and and even home in Korea? Because that’s the second home at this point. Absolutely. You know, I still keep in touch with my students. I keep in touch with my Korean and my Chinese teacher that I met in Korea. I even have an adopted Korean mother. So, you know, I I do have I’m, I’m very well, my intentions are to give back and to in some way or shape or form to give back to Haiti and that’s something I’ve always been doing and and whether it’s, you know, working and pouring into Patient children here, and you know, helping them discover their purposes and helping them see how they can make an impact in the world. Or, you know, finding ways to either donate or to support organizations that do serve in Haiti. Whatever it is, that’s that’s more my intention, but to actually go and live there,
not so much.
Sure, it we’ve learned that we can do it all virtually no matter where you are in the world. So there’s that. I did want to ask you another just cultural question. You said that if you go into a room, and you know, it’s a it’s an offense if you don’t kiss everyone on the cheek, and they had something like that, that was similar in Korea, and I didn’t know just my experience dealing with people overseas, their personal space is so much closer than it is in the States. You’re like, Get off me. Yeah, what are the ad do about your take on from a global perspective of how we are handling the current crisis versus what’s happening in South Korea and other places.
And you’re talking to the current crisis as cobit. Yeah.
Honestly, I think so. The United States is
I want to they call it a melting pot. Yeah.
And I realized with that melting pot come
common sense, a lack of common sense.
And, and a great lack of unity is significant division in the United States. And I think in countries that have come out of this pandemic, or at least have been able to go closely back to normal day life. I think it shows the difference between what happens when you have a unified culture and what happens when you have so much division. And I don’t mean to get too political, but you have the leader of this country, someone who’s supposed to really drive a vision and represent the people and do everything in the best interest of the people who doesn’t appear to be on a united front with his experts. Right? People who are supposed to be advising him, you have some who say, Oh, it’s not a big deal. You have others who say, No, this is serious. And so based on that,
he chooses whatever
narrative he wants to share.
And so, depending on how you’re impacted on by COVID, you’re either going to take precautions or You’re not. And I think that’s what’s going on in this country, whereas outside of the United States, it appears that there’s a little bit more unity. Because once again, it’s for the most part one culture. There might be other cultures that exists within the one culture. But it seems that there’s a little bit more togetherness, you know, in South Korea, to see how they were able to jp in action, and and make sure that people got tested, and and even in China, to see how they also jped in action. They had protocol in place to check temperatures to track who has this and who has that, you see that everybody was on one united front. Right? And very different where you have so many people with so many different opinions and so many different perspectives and some people who care and some people who don’t care, and then you have to also think of the fact that outside of China, a lot of these countries are more small, they’re very, very small. So the influence might be a little more significant than the United States, where not only are we large, we have 50 states. And in those states, we have, you know, different cultures that exists within those states. And then, and there’s division, you know, there’s division within town division within states. It’s just a lot. So it makes it challenging to really get everybody on a united front. I will say it makes me sad to see because we’re supposed to be, you know, the leader of the free world and we’re supposed to be the one that drives the world economy. And I don’t I don’t know how much of a great job we’re doing that based on how we’re just failing to handle a pandemic. Oh,
II feel the use one of my sisters, two sisters that were expats my twin sister still isn’t in Spain. But one thing that I Remember my middle sister at the time that was living in Germany? After 2001? They said, Oh, now you guys know what it feels like meaning other places around the world, they’ve had those, you know, unfortunate events happen. And since then we’ve thwarted so many attacks that wouldn’t even be on the knees, right unless somebody brought it up. But it was that one major thing that made us change. And with Korea and some of these others, they’ve had something similar, not on a global scale. So the closest thing we had is over 100 years ago, so it doesn’t look like it’s going away anytime soon. There may be iterations and permutations. But do you think that would be better after I mean, we’re floundering because we don’t really have a benchmark to pull from and 100 years ago, was too far for you know, for recollection.
That could be the case. I also feel like Honestly, I think the United States we have almost this feeling of superiority where a lot of us are not in touch with the reality of America. And it’s not to sound too political. And it’s not to bash anybody. You know, going to South Korea out there, I didn’t know what to expect when I moved there. But I had a lot of people asking me like, Where are you sleeping? Are you sleeping in a tent? Are you sleeping in a hut
and floor with
You know, yeah, I sleep on the floor, but that’s because the floors heat up.
And, you know, I put in a cold to get into my apartment. But you know, I think in the United States, we’re so siloed where we think that you know, we have this feeling of superiority where the leader of the free world and we have the best economy and we have the best this and we have the best that and so it blinds us to the ability that a pandemic or an epidemic is inevitable. You know, we are not immune to it. And I think because of that, it, it impacts the way we’re able to receive reality. Right? I mean, looking something as simple as racism, we struggle to accept that the thing, right, under the previous president, President Obama, of course, he was black. So what’s it a lot of people say, Oh, well, we have a black president, there can’t possibly be racism. And now under this current president, we’re still struggling to accept that reality when it’s literally it’s on camera now, right? It does. It’s very clean, and it’s very obvious. And so in the case of a pandemic, you know, you have people who are like, no, it’s, it’s in Asia, or we pin it, right. We call it the Chinese virus. And it’s like, No, no, no, this is something that’s impacting people all over the world.
And you know, how
that virus came about different compensation different days. But, you know, we we like you would rather point fingers, you would rather separate ourselves, instead of saying, you know what really needs to take precautions and be part of the solution, even if we’re not directly impacted, because the reality is, everybody comes to the United States from all over the world. And, you know, I found it interesting that in the beginning of the pandemic, we were closing our doors, every country, and I recently saw a map of countries that are allowing Americans in their within their borders, and they were like dots on a map. And granted, I’m looking at the United States, but as a Caribbean, Afro Caribbean American, it made me happy. I’m like, look at how the tables have turned. When we’re sitting on you try to put ourselves on this pedestal, where we really don’t want to be open to what what else is going around the world and and you be sensitive to it and say, if something impacts a country around the world that impacts us as well, because we make up every country around the world. But now it’s like we didn’t, we didn’t learn. So now we’re all boxed in and having to deal with this problem. And other countries have, you know, progress you have. They’ve come out of it, New Zealand, countries in Asia countries in Europe. And now, you know, we’re silos because if we travel there, we bring that virus with us and they don’t even know the negative energy anymore. So I think it’s more us changing our our mindset and really realizing and accepting that we are not immune to any thing that happens around the world.
in our global community is also our problem.
Let me and please help me with the pronunciation with this is ginori jewelry Yeah, jewelry. Okay, so I wanted to talk a little bit about that. And then we weren’t talking about politics, but with the current the opponent of like the democrat of the Republican Party, they find in the 90s, the prison, the prison pipeline. And so I want to talk about jewelry. And is that a possible pipeline that you’re doing to educate people to travel and learn and become more worldly.
I’m not necessarily jewelry is actually formed a few years ago. It is a learning and development platform. And our mission is basically to empower people to achieve the highest standard of their purpose, and that’s through learning and growth, whether it’s learning as learning and growth as a student as a professional
And and that’s really what what our goal is
now to encourage them to travel.
If that is
a goal or if that’s something that piques their interest, we would coach them through the process of, you know, what are the things that you might encounter, and also coaching them through the self development process through the learning process of understanding how they can manage themselves and how they can stay true to themselves while adjusting in a foreign environment. You know, so that was a goal of one of our students and professionals.
We actually did have a professional that
landed a job in Iran. You know,
she came to us with a rese, we did her rese and she was able to get her dream job and she’s doing she’s doing her thing. So it really depends on their goal. Yeah.
Yeah, cuz I’m imagining and I’m a little older. I think I’m older than you. But I remember in a I like to click Atlanta. And so in the ACC, the undergrad, we were kind of in the business school, we were taught to go to the street for two years, which was, you know, Wall Street and then they would partner with the HBCUs to go to Ivy League’s. So a lot of people went to HBCU undergrad and had IV MBAs or you know, graduate degrees. And so that was in the 90s. And now when I speak with the students, you know, they’re not even going to the street anymore. They’re going to internships in China, and other places around the world. So they’re kind of known or taught or continuing to know about the global marketplace. So I wanted to know if with with new in your outfit. Are you partnering with local community? I mean, there’s a there’s a cluster of HBCUs in the DMV, do you partner with any of them to kind of pipeline like you said, There’s not the traditional students, you have adults going back to school. But what about the high school kids and the college students? Would they work with you to learn more and be more worldly?
, so it depends,
right? , you know, a lot of the students come a lot of parents come and they bring their children and I’m talking from elementary to high school. It’s kind of different for even for my high school and my college and higher education clients. But for let’s talk the elementary to early high school students.
There their parents usually come with a skill that their child needs to develop. So whether it’s math English, or whatever the case may be my company what we do, and especially as myself, as one of the the tutors slash educators on the team, we really
assess their needs and we create
a personalized learning plan for them. And so for example, oftentimes I get well, my child is having trouble with math problems.
And so you look at their work and I say, Wait, let me take,
let me take a look at your your writing. And let me take a look at your English. And let me take a look at your reading comprehension. And then I find out, some of them just
don’t even know how to read the word.
And so therefore, they don’t know what they’re being asked. Some of some of them is reading or writing or comprehension problems. So it goes beyond the math word problems. So we’re able to create a learning plan for them to really build on all their skills
and have those come together holistically.
What we also do with the students
is work with them in
an understanding their purpose.
So one of the big, big projects that I’ve done with my students this smer, is actually helping them understand their learning style and also doing personality assessments where some of them might think Go to his Myers Briggs. And then he says my favorite, and you know, they’ll find out, they’re introverted, they’re extroverted, they’re more intuitive and more sensory, some more organized some more go with the flow. But what I’ve done is worked with them in really having these conversations of how do you think you can make an impact in the world? And how would you like to make an impact in the world? And some of them will come back and say, I want to be of this and I want to be of that and I say, Don’t tell me what you want to be
coming with you want to do.
And with that, that is where we’re able to identify, okay, maybe there are opportunities for the travel. Or maybe there are opportunities for just engaging with people of different cultures here in the States. So, yeah, it’s more about having them tap into their interests, their skills, and their their vision, even though they’re young, and then seeing what would work in that Now what we are also doing is working on how we can develop and that should be ready by the fall. But develop
a directory of
other organizations after school programs, daycares, whatever it is that serves students and professionals. So that jewelry is not just the source, the only source of education and learning and development but they can also tap into they can also have access to other resources that they can tap into for their learning and development experience.
There was an article this week, and they were talking about the different responses like he said, Every state is responding to Coronavirus differently. And they were highlighting those in Silicon Valley and such and the private jets and private you know, still jet setting like it’s still 2019 they’re unbothered One thing that in the article they highlighted was that some of the teachers or being, you know, teachers don’t want to go back to school in here in the south, I think they started school already, so like a week or so ago, but they don’t want to, you know, they don’t have, they don’t want to bring it back to their families and such. So they’re being lured away by wealthier people. And when we wanted to get your experience, because I have to thank you with jewelry, it sounds like and I don’t want to put words in your mouth, that there is a chasm even in individual states of the haves and have nots. And if and by extension, the haves and have nots for education. So he said the reading comprehension and such as that overwhelmingly an economic issue. And if it is, then I think I have to think even more so by having jewelry out.
So you’re asking me if it’s an economic issue, you said,
Yeah, you seem like are you seeing for your people that are coming in, there’s some that acknowledge for the parents that we Want cheaters and what have you which across all lines? But if you see an overwhelming amount of students are like, okay, where are you from? Where do you live with the day? Like, are you? Is that an economic issue that you’re seeing of your people you’re doing?
Not? Not necessarily, I think it may be the approach of the learning experience. They’re getting it and we. So we have to understand as well. And I’ll put this out there, teachers are awesome. They have a very challenging job. I think they’re required more than to do. They’re required to do more than they’re paid. But I just want to put that out there shout out to all teachers, and teachers,
and educator, but I did a year.
But here’s the challenge you have a lot of in some of these public schools, especially if one teacher like 2530 students. Mm hmm. So it really it’s almost the survival of the fittest right? Depends on what which kid can get it the quickest, and which, and some kids don’t always catch on quickly. That’s just the reality. And that’s not always something that the teacher has control over because they’re, they have a curricul that they’re supposed to follow, right? They’re things that they have to teach the students. And so for some students, if it’s not at their pace, unless you know, it’s a learning disability, where there are opportunities for them to have someone sit with them in the class, oftentimes they fall behind. And so that’s where you might
see some of their skills
shine more than others. Right? Where a kid if they’re able to catch on and math and, and they’re able to, you know, do the homework independently and so on and so forth. Within that large classroom setting, sure, but they might not be able to catch on as quickly in language art. And so what happens is when one part fails, it becomes the Like almost a domino effect, where they can excel. But, but it’s challenging because of some of the things that they’re not able to really touch upon. So, I think that’s really what it is. It can be economic, it can be. And I will acknowledge that in many instances, it is,
for the students that I have gotten, that was not
always the case. But that doesn’t change the fact that it can very much be economics, where the school that they’re going to doesn’t have the resources to really invest in, you know, all of those different skill sets.
I find that, you know,
for and in my experience, some schools,
you know, they’re more advanced, but they don’t necessarily break up the kids based on their skill
set. So you have a student who’s maybe
at their grade level, and they’re doing okay or they’re slightly below but they’re struggling to catch up because the school they’re in Teaching them at a grade level higher than they are because they’re trying to you know, push the kids to excel. And so that makes it even challenging for the students to adjust. But once again, from my experience, it hasn’t been significantly impacted by you know, socioeconomic status.
I do very much acknowledge that that does exist.
Sure. And I And for the record, I did do one year and it was one of my favorite years of my whole life I taught second grade it was awesome. And I remember at the time before getting the job, some of the graduating class they were looking at quote unquote combat pay. And so you know, the the big the more urban the area, the more money they would get, right but they didn’t have the resources. And not to throw LeBron under the bus but like for athletes, if they show that promise in their in those type of environments, they get moved out, they get moved out to go to the schools in the north, and you get to identify strengths, weaknesses, so they become that best person from from an athletic standpoint. And parallel I even see even with the pandemic is people have access, like what kind of access Do you have, and those with access are getting better treatment. So again, I think that even outside of the social economic issue, I think having a resource such as jewelry is is huge. So yeah, thank thank you for that for sure. So you have jewelry, you’re a published, author. Now, how are and we talked a little bit about this earlier at the beginning of he haven’t let it sink in. And then part of the early research now also that was people working home, they’re working longer hours than they did in the office. So how are you able to find the balance between your professional academic and personal life
If I will say now it is very challenging and I’m going to speak for today. And today we are what August 19 August 19 2020.
I bet you’re still ahead of us. You’re three days ahead of us. Did you know that
August 16 See that?
We are August 16. I could have sworn it was the 19th but it is not the 19th everyone it is the 16th and I clearly need more sleep. So I’ve been managing I will say with the pandemic I’ve been managing. And it is it happened in another time. I think I would have more challenges
However, you know, I am managing
my reality however is that and this is partly my fault I’ve been putting in at least 15 sometimes
20 hour days
You know when the pandemic happened it when it transferred into the space
you know, I found that I’d be working from home.
I low key
I wasn’t excited about the pandemic, I was excited
about the work from home.
I didn’t have to put pay for gas all the time.
I didn’t have to pay for gas all the time. What else I you know, I got to stay in the cleaning my home. I am doing my PhD at the same time. And so I got excited and I can’t make this up. I took on my last three courses of my academic journey. You know, before I transitioned into my dissertation, and I took three of them in one quarter, that is three times the workload for
In addition having to navigate all of these students of mine who’s now transferred into the virtual space. And a lot of them who are now you know, only call me on for dm when they have a special project, but they’re now needing constant attention because they’re like this Juliet, I don’t know what to do. I’m having trouble, I need motivation. I’m not motivated, I need this, I need that. In addition to of course, working from home full time, in addition to just navigating the impact of the pandemic, right. So I had days where it was okay. Other days, I really was like Juliette, what are you doing three horses in one quarter, during a pandemic, any other time of the year, but now,
I did survive it.
But now, you know,
as myself and my team, we’re working on growing the business. It’s a different dynamic of 15 hours. I am now in you know, fully working on my dissertation. So the experience is different. You know, I ended up having to switch out my glasses. I don’t want to say this, but I hadn’t gotten my eyes checked since after I’d come from South Korea. So that’s about six years ago. I was walking around with glasses that I’ve gotten from South Korea, and I love glasses. I have about 15 to 20 pairs. But sitting in front of the computer was very challenging. So I went and I got my eyes checked because my eyes were burning. You know, it was very, very hard to get in the 16 hour days. And I went and got myself blue light blockers got in trouble by my doctor because he’s like you, you’re not allowed to walk around with these glasses. You’re walking around blind. So I am now in the space of just trying to find ways that will help me adjust. You know, I did which changed my eating habits. And I’m trying to be very intentional about self care, even though I am working a lot, a lot. But my next step is, you know, trying to get more sleep and having a schedule where I am able to sleep, and making sure that I’m eating, you know, three meals a day, at least, so that he had the energy to perform at the levels that I want to.
He may or may not have this already. But I’d be remiss if I didn’t tell you about the I favor software. And there’s so many different iterations, you could just do a Google search, and they’re usually free. But they give you the notification after like, 40 minutes, the screen will go dark, they’ll remind you to do the exercises. And I’m one of those people that thought form a water example. Oh, yeah, I drink enough water. But when I had when I downloaded the water app, I realized how dehydrated I was. Yeah, so you know, technology in a lot of respects is our friend so if you don’t have that favor, he might want to get download that. Just a reminder that Yeah, yeah, the blue light blockers for sure. But it’s just a reminder because I know I’m one of those people too if I don’t watch it, you’re like, no, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta get this done right? There’s always you’re never gonna get that right. There’s always something else.
That’s me. He is actually the one that messages me and emails me and text me at 2am and they’re like, you need to go to sleep. We’re done. You’re done. Shut it down.
For bed, and
I get I have an awesome team shout out to Team jewelry. You know, they, I have some of them that reach out. And I’m like, Hey, you got this project. I got this opportunity. We have this and they won’t even answer it. They’re like So did you eat today? And sometimes, guys, don’t try this at home but sometimes and I know them, some of them personally. So I I’ll use it against them sometimes where they come they’re like did you eat today and I say I won’t eat until this project is done and if they have any
But no, I do have an awesome team, you know?
You know they do. It’s nice to have people on your team who see your vision and see your purpose and they’re they they’re invested in that as well. hold me accountable, they do reach out and they like need to go to bed you need to eat and so on and so forth. So
sure, the type Amy recognizes and salutes the type a new so it’s all good. Since you are making strides to balance it out. You will be healthy enough to talk about your book it actually take a deep breath to let some of that sink in so that people can find out because I’m sure they want to continue to reach out to you once they find the book. But how would they find the book and also I want you to plug the jewelry so people can get in touch with you that way as well.
Absolutely well. You can find my books sharing my lens the college experience on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Kobo book. It’s also on Apple books. We are relaunching our publishing company jr republishing actually the subsidiary that is going to be launched sometime in the fall. So look out for that and I will be publishing the second edition of sharing my lens the college experience. You can also look out for an audio book in the fall visit us on Instagram and Facebook at jus Nori. co You can also find us on twitter jewelry underscore Cole we are also on LinkedIn in my Instagram. And Facebook is official Juliet Nuri Nelson and Maria spelled n as Nancy. You are I Juliet LJUL ie TP Official Juliet Marie now, we do have. And I think it is the first time I’m saying this on a podcast. So cheers to your podcast. But we are actually coming out with an eyewear collection in the fall as well. And that’s going to be primarily targeted to our students and professionals. And these will be they will be with premi blue light blocking lenses. And when you have a prescription and you’re as blind as a bat like I am, or if you just want to wear them for fashion, they’re open for everyone. So you guys can also look out for that in the fall.
Now that’s, that’s phenomenal. Sounds like a lot on the plate and it sounds like a lot that’s coming. So you know, we’re super excited. We want to stay in touch with you as you continue following your journey and in filling, fulfilling your purpose. So with that, you have just been tune to another episode of intrinsic motivation from a homeys perspective. This is Hamza and Juliet Nelson. It was a pleasure. Get some rest and let’s stay in touch.
Thanks for your time. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me.