Kindness and Love
Kindness and love, the way we treat others, have been taught to us by our parents, grandparents, teachers, mentors, and colleagues. However, we forget these lessons in the excitement of life and sometimes we fail to give due respect to the people around us.
We see others as objects for our affection, and we don’t always show loving-kindness to those who are dear to us. If you are a nice person, and you want to make some friends, it is normal to feel attracted to them. However, it is also normal to feel bad about ourselves if we do not express your acts of kindness and warm wishes genuinely to get and give off positive emotions. We should not forget that even the people we know, do not always like us. And we should be kinder and more respectful to them than to our enemies.
We should show mindful awareness to everyone we come into contact with. But the same is true for the other way round. We should also show love to those people we do not know, and those people we do not care for. This is what having genuine feelings of warmth means.
Importance of Showing Love to Others
A loving and kind person is not a cold individual, he/ she is generous and kind. They do not treat someone as an object. They are not afraid to tell somebody how they are doing, and are not afraid to say "no". This kind of person shows compassion and concern for others.
They never try to push away or hide anyone from the people they want to be around. They can be very friendly, very compassionate, and very friendly. They are not afraid to listen to others, are open-minded, and consider other’s opinions in their mindfulness practice.
When we say that kindness and love are what all people need, we don’t just mean that we should always try to be kind to everyone we meet. We can also say that kindness and love should be displayed to others when they need help, whether we can or cannot provide it. This is what kindness and love mean. It is kindness and love to offer help to someone when they ask for it, not because we think they deserve it. or want to appear to be kind to someone who is not needy.
Kindness and love are not only to others but to ourselves too. A nice person does not only help others but also cares about the things he/ she himself/she has.
One does not need to go around telling others all the ways to be kind, and nice. One can just give a gentle word of kindness, and kindness will be returned. One can be kind and nice to that person in turn, they will be kind and nice back to you.
One has to be kind and nice to oneself. The way to do this is by doing things that make one feel good about themselves, not by looking at yourself with the same kind of critical eyes that other people look at you with.
If you find yourself criticizing someone, you may feel bad about yourself. But if you criticize in a kind and loving manner, the person will appreciate that.
The world has different types of people, and different types of relationships and each of us has different needs. One needs to do a little soul searching and figure out what is good about the other type of person, and the kind of relationship we have with them before we can begin to criticize that person in the same way we criticize others.
There are many ways to be kind and nice to people, and there are many reasons to be kind and nice to people. There is a reason why the sun shines and the grass is green, and why I have friends.
Self-compassion is extending love to oneself in times of perceived unkindness, pain, or another negative feeling. Self-Compassion is defined as being composed of at least three parts – self-kindness, compassion for one’s self, and awareness of one’s value. The expression "I" as in "I feel sad because I am ugly", "I am bad and need to improve"I am angry and need to learn and love myself more" is not self-compassion. This is a negative view of oneself. Self Compassion is about loving oneself even when you are not doing anything wrong.
Self-love, compassion for self, acceptance of self are the core of self. Being in love with yourself is an act of loving yourself. When we love ourselves, we become free to love others. To experience the joy and compassion of love we must feel connected to ourselves first, then others.
When we connect to ourselves self we open the door to compassion and awareness for all people. When we connect to our self we experience unconditional acceptance for ourselves. Self-love can bring peace, happiness and joy. We learn to see ourselves as a whole instead of separate. Self-love is what makes us truly happy. Self Love allows us to express our love, care and concern for ourselves in ways that are authentic and meaningful.
What is the Difference Between Kindness and Love?
"What is the difference between love and kindness?" I have been asked that question many times, and I have tried to answer it for myself, but I can’t seem to figure it out. It just seems so confusing, I am always left wondering what the heck I am trying to say. However, there is a difference between kindness and love, and it really all comes down to a few things that you have to be careful with.
Kindness means not taking advantage of others or treating them poorly. Love is more like unconditional love. This is what I think is the main difference between kindness and love. If someone says, "I love you" to me and then goes and does something mean or bad to another person they are not showing me they are still in love with me. So, this is when you have to be careful with your words. Even if it’s not meant to be, it is still wrong, and people will see through it.
So, now you can start to see that there is a difference between kindness and love. Love is unconditional and kindness is not. What is the difference between kindness and love? Love is unconditional, and kindness is conditional. When you love someone unconditionally, you are giving them their freedom. When you are kind to another person, you do them a favor. Now you know what the difference is between kindness and love.
Love and Kindness Are Never Wasted
If you want to know why love and kindness are never lost, then read on. It’s pretty simple; love is not wasted. Love and kindness never waste. You have to see it that way. Love and kindness are always wasted because love is the opposite of hate.
We need to love all people. The same with kindness. I hate to see any cruelty in people. I hate to see any discrimination against people. I hate to see any violence or bullying. I hate to see any crime and violence. I hate to see any hate and violence.
So love yourself and others, but love yourself and others more. That’s the only way to love and kindness is never lost. To see what my dear friends thought about this amazing quote, just click on the link below. If you would like to be a guest blogger on my blog, all you have to do is follow the link on the right side bar. In just one day, you will know if I am right or wrong about love and kindness. Love and kindness are truly never wasted. Why don’t you let love and kindness run wild?
How to Be a Loving Person to Everyone
One of the things you will have to learn how to do in order to become a loving person is to accept that some people are better than others. While I don’t necessarily mean by this that you should always put yourself down for someone’s shortcomings, it can be easy to get angry and hurt because of something a person said or did. As you go through life, especially at times when you feel as if people are treating you unfairly, this anger can grow and take over your life.
What I am trying to tell you is that you have to learn how to accept that sometimes bad situations happen. If you are able to look at these things from a person’s perspective, they may not really be that bad, and you can come to terms with them rather easily. If you try to force yourself to not see something as bad as it really is, you might not realize that the situation could just have been handled better. This is why you need to learn to be a loving person to everyone. Not only will it make you happy in general, but it can also be a huge help in your personal relationships.
If you want to learn how to be a loving person to everyone, all you have to do is start to think about how you would feel if you were in their shoes. What does it mean to you to be treated fairly? What does it mean to be treated with respect?
Mother Teresa quotes on kindness and love – The Hans India (thehansindia.com)
- The main objective of "The Missionaries of Charity" was to take care of people, whom no one else was willing to take care of.
- Not much is known about her early life, but at an early age, she wanted to be a nun and serve by helping the poor and needy.
- 1. Be faithful in small things because it is in them that your strength lies.
Reader’s View: Find happiness by sharing kindness, love – Duluth News Tribune (duluthnewstribune.com)
- Children, may your birthday remind you of how much it means that you are here and how much your presence enriches the lives of others.
- It is important to remember that we matter and that we have a place in this world that no one else has.
- When you feel that kindness and love within yourself, share it with others.
The Flood Of Kindness with Author Laurie Marshall [Interview]
With the COVID pandemic and the long-term pain of racial injustice recently boiling to a head, educator and creative activist Laurie Marshall shares practical ways that parents can flood their families and communities with kindness. She’ll discuss creating a family story that captures your family’s values. In addition, she will share small daily practices, fun family projects, ways of turning daily chores into games that help your children (and you) be kinder, and ideas for being in service to your community in kindness.
Marshall is a project-based learning and arts integration specialist who has worked with underserved youth for over 30 years. Her partners include FEMA and Project Drawdown, the World’s Leading Resource for Climate Solutions. She has trained over 6,000 teachers in project-based learning and facilitated 125 nature-based murals with over 25,000 people in schools, nonprofits, and government agencies.
Good morning. Good evening. Good afternoon everybody out there in podcast land, you are in tune to another episode of Intrinsic Motivation from a Homie’s Perspective. This is Hamza. And I’m really excited about speaking with our guests. today. Our guest, in my opinion is a lifer. She’s 30 years in the trenches. And I’d like to go a little bit over her background just to kind of give you a little bit of humility as I did reading her, her her wonderful life thus far. And so, with the COVID pandemic, and the long term pain of racial injustice recently boiling to ahead, educator and creative activist Laurie Marshalll shares practical ways that parents can flood their families, and communities with kindness. She’ll discuss creating a family story that captures your family values. In addition, she shall share small daily practices, fun family projects, ways of turning daily chores into games that help your children and you be kinder, and ideas for being in service to your community and kindness. She is a project based learning and arts integration specialist who has worked with underserved youth for over 30 years. Her partners include FEMA and project drawdown the world’s largest leading resource for climate solutions. She’s trained over 6000 students and project based learning and facilitated 125 nature based murals with over 25,000 people in schools, nonprofits, and government agencies. If that isn’t humbling, I don’t know what is. Without further ado, I’d like to welcome Laurie Marshall to the podcast.
Thanks to him, sir. I am very happy to be here.
Absolutely, yes. Over the years, just talking to many people, there are no accidents. And there’s always a beginning. And I’m sure we’re going to find out year beginning. But I do but right off the gate have to give you a hats off. You’re not one of the I just came along during the internet. And I’m a social justice warrior by changing my background and my social media profile. And that’s it, you’ve kind of rolled up your sleeve as a lifelong devotion. So you know, I just want to give you your flowers for all the work you’ve done thus far.
Thank you so much. And it is very humbling process I’m continually learning and getting feedback back on when my actions are not in alignment with my words, and my words aren’t in alignment with my values. That is the never ending process. It’s not like I get it together and done. Like, I’m always learning.
You know, I wanna we’re gonna talk about the well being of children in your book, the flood of kindness. And just touch a little bit on everything that you’ve talked about. I mean, you’ve done this far, but what you just mentioned, is not living or resting on your your laurels. And it sounds like for 2020, this feels like a global reset. And so since this has kind of come out of the blue, for what we know thus far, a lot of us can’t rest on our laurels of what worked yesterday, because that doesn’t apply in today’s world.
Right? Right. And the beauty of being close to children is that they change every day. And what worked yesterday, does not work today. And we have to completely keep thinking, what does my child’s soul need today? My What does my child’s body need today, as they outgrow clothes and shoes and and so the process of being close to children is that process of completely is a very humbling process because you keep having to grow and learn and enjoy your process. Because by such great teachers, oh my god.
Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I’ve had my toe in both waters, if you will, like I did teach early childhood, I taught second grade. And I’ve been in the corporate world. So from a sales standpoint, you know, I would I get evaluations twice a year, or sometimes quarterly. But with children, you know, what works immediately, and what doesn’t?
Exactly. And, and you also try things that might work. And nobody knows that at the time. There might be a de escalation that you’ve just done. That allows your child to have space. Or you might give your child some words for what they’re feeling that they don’t have to. And maybe a year later, they’ll use those words. And so another humbling and important thing about being the children is that you, even though you can tell when something isn’t working, it’s hard to tell when something is working. And you have to be have faith that your love and care that makes you keep trying and keep experimenting and keep learning that that’s the most important lesson that they’re getting that you love and care for them, even if you messed up in the moment.
Sure. So I want to ask you, when we’re talking with children, and a popular phrase that children hear is use your words. And one thing I did know, in mind you I only did a year in the school system. And this was actually my 10 year anniversary my with a big brother Big Sister program. And yeah, my little just graduated. And so he’s in his first year of college. And it’s amazing how far out that time flies. But when I when I talk about words versus actions, I’ve always learned even with my little or in the classroom, I may say something, or I may be teaching a curriculum. And it’s what you just said about what might work and you don’t know what at the time. It’s so interesting that you may say something, and they’re not listening, but they are watching you, like every moment, every movement that you make. And that speaks to me more volumes been the word. So where where’s the good, I guess, the sweet spot of your words and words versus your actions?
Well, in terms of being an adult, we are the leaders in terms of modeling the behavior we want. And if we tell our kids, there’s no violence in this house, and then we hit them. That’s really confusing to the child. So the, our important thing is to be impeccable with a word, and we’re all going to fail. And also, to help them with words, because when we tell them to use their words, they don’t have words, they don’t know how to say, I’m really triggered right now, or I feel put down and that feels bad. Or, I’m, I’m so upset that I want to hurt something, because they don’t know how to say that. And we have to model we have to first model it when we get upset. And to say, whoo, I’m really upset. I’m going to take three deep breaths and go for a walk. I’ll be right back. But I know if I say anything right now, it’s not going to come out good. So we have to constantly model self reflection. And Maria Montessori said that self reflection is one of the greatest skills that humans can have. And the head of the hurricane katrina cleanup, Admiral sad Allen said that the greatest skill that we all are going to need in the 21st century’s emotional intelligence. And, again, it’s hard when we feel attacked, if we have like point 04 seconds to interrupt, attacking back or doing free. And I’m still working on this. I’m 70 years old, and I’m still working on this. And I work hard at it and I’m not where I want to be. So in terms of the words versus action, it is so important to model making, owning when we make mistakes, to model keeping on learning, to model kindness, to model having, giving the benefit of the doubt to our child and also to stay calm and to de escalate when there is when the child is acting out and being really upset. Instead of telling them You shouldn’t act that way. You can say I’m here with you. It’s a very different message. And that and then you can also say that’s not okay. And here’s a way for you to express what you want to express without hurting anything without hurting past people, or objects
are so it is a, it’s a
Somebody says a marriage and a family is like a dojo. And a dojo definition is the place of growing awareness. And we cut our teeth, for all our lives on our intimate relationships, and especially with our our children. I know,
I’ll go ahead,
have a two part question to that. Because when we’re talking about giving children the benefit of the doubt, and we’re talking about adults modeling behavior, it made me think of bullies. And you know, when you have bullies, and you’re like, Oh, this big, bad bully, but then you find out that he modeling the behavior that he sees at home, is the first part of the question. And then the second part of the question is, if we’re talking of modeling behavior, now, that was for early, you know, younger children. Now this part is for teenagers, so much. So when when we talk about modeling behavior, and the parents could be, you know, model citizens in the community, go to church and what have you, but then their child will have this, you know, the violence that we’ve seen in the knees at the schools, where they’re taking lives. So how do you how do you balance giving that child the benefit of doubt versus modeling the behavior?
That children, I’ll start with your second question, the children who take lives, our children who have are extremely isolated, every one of them, they’re not being connected with by their parents, their parents are not saying to them, I’m with you. They have gone into a world of Austin, a virtual world, that these are violence, and they’re searching for purpose, and they’re hurting, and everybody, target. We are such a sensitive animal, we make each other feel the way we feel. We have an electromagnetic field, around our heart, that’s 10 feet. everybody’s heart is a electromagnetic field. And this is the scientist measured by organization called heart math, which I highly recommend investigating. So everybody’s heart electromagnetic field is affecting everybody else’s. If you’ve ever taught, or even even in business, we all get triggered by the most disturbed person in the room. They affect our hearts. And the people that do mass shootings, want people to feel as much pain as they’re feeling. So those are not people that are being joyously loved and cared for. And paid attention to. Paying attention to means that you call kids on behavior that doesn’t work. Not that they’re bad. But that is not working. You know, it doesn’t work to murder a bunch of people in order to get your needs met, as a huge networking. And so it’s very, very important to listen to what is the inner experience is of the child and to have a way for the child to express their inner experience and it may not be through words, it could be to art, it could be through music. It could be to sport. Rudolf Steiner, the founder of the Waldorf curriculum, said that the reason he thought world war one happened was because people couldn’t express their soul. And children need to express their souls and they need to have stories that inspire them to be their best selves. And we give children many stories in our culture where might makes right and force wins, and the good guys use the most force so they win, even Wonder Woman which was supposed to be about love. She She She did it for love, but it was, she used force as the way to achieve the goal. And it’s. So as a culture, we need to have inspiring stories of people treating each other with respect and giving each other the benefit of the doubt. I just heard a, an amazing story about Nelson Mandela, who was in a restaurant when he was have become president. And he saw somebody sitting alone. And he invited them to join his table. And the man was very nervous. And they, everyone at the table was kind to him and shared food with him. And the men could barely look anybody in the eye and he ate quickly. And thank you and left. And one of my colleagues said, Why did you invite him to eat with us? He seems so uncomfortable. And he said, That man was one of my prison guards. And he beat me. He urinated on me. He cursed me. And I wanted him to see that retaliation is not the only choice.
We don’t have a lot of stories like that.
Mm hmm. Oh,
I highly recommend if you have teenagers, two sets of two authors, one is Paul Chapelle, who is the army captain. He was in the army for seven years and served in Iraq. And he describes himself as somebody who could have very easily been a math tutor to his father had PTSD so badly from serving in the military that he was diagnosed, diagnosed as good to phrenic. And he was a beloved father one minute and then screaming and beating Paul the next. And Paul became very isolated, he’s part white, part black and part Korean. He didn’t know he had any black blood in him until he was 10. And he didn’t tell anybody till he was 22. And now the first thing he tells people, and he talks about how if racism can change in him, he knows it can change in other people, this father passed for white, and said that the military was the only place that a black person could be treated fairly in our country. And he used to fantasize in high school about killing the people in his class. And he played video games and, you know, single shooter video games. And he had a teacher who recognized his need to express himself and gave him the gift of writing. And he’s written five or six books. They’re called the end of war, will war ever end, waging peace, the peace of the peaceful soldier, the cosmic ocean, and he has applied everything that he’s learned in the military to waging peace, and to creating a culture where people stay calm and give others the benefit of the doubt, which is what they teach you to do in the army. He’s working now with virtual reality, to make games that help people understand that aggression is a form of distress. And how, how to transform and de escalate. You know, we have so many police, men who are not able to de escalate. And it is a very important skill. And Paul said, that 1000 years ago, we used to think that we needed to sacrifice somebody in order for the crops to grow. And nobody thought about reading. Now, we know that we don’t have to sacrifice anybody, for the crops to grow. And we assume that everyone needs to learn how to read. And the next essential skill set we need for the 21st century is peace literacy, is emotional intelligence. For we’re not going to make it and the kids that are coming in now have if they are supported and nurtured, they have an enormous emotional intelligence. I’m observing enormous compassion and sensitivity. So that just affirms the importance of past People be a children be able to express themselves creatively. And you can do that in your family. As I mentioned, having a family story which you make up around what your family stands for. And to say our family is a stand for kindness. And when we’re mean to each other, we figure out how to make it right. And the other author I want to recommend is Rivera son, who has written a series of three books, called the re RS series, which are about an 11 year old orphan who lives in a warring community, to communities that are warring against each other. And she learned a skill set of non violence and they are as incredible as Harry Potter in terms of action and characters. And the magic in the rtrs series is non violence. She Rivera has created a culture where people seek to do no harm and seek to
to hear out how everyone can use can be met respectfully. Again, we have very few stories like this in our culture. And non violence in this world is a I lead physical, skilled practice, just like Tai Chi. And it’s, they’re wonderful page Turners, and you can’t wait to see what happens next. And they’re very courageous books.
Mm hmm. Yeah, thanks for sharing that. I was unaware of both authors. So glad you highlighted them. I’ll put those in the show notes as well. And I wanted to ask about when we’re talking about if there’s a random act of, or what seems as a random act of violence. And you said that children whose lives are extremely isolated are like that. So as an educator, how were you able to identify? Or are you able to identify signs that are early signs of if they keep going in this direction, this will be the undesired result.
I have taught kids who
were very scary. And who ended up doing harm to other kids and who were being abused. And
if the child is
paid attention to and looked at and listened to, and thought about, they don’t end up hurting other people. But if a child is hurt, they end up hurting other people. And I shoot you tell by whether or not they’re able to make any attachments. And children who are not nourished have attachment disorders. And you can see them because they’re not able to make friends. They’re not able to make eye contact, they’re not able to have normal conversations. And they make the people around them comfortable, the other kids uncomfortable. And I after the Parkland shooting, a year after that happened, I went to West glades Middle School, which was the feeder School of parkland and made a collaborative mural that helped the kids process the first year anniversary of that, and the shooter had gone to that middle school, and the teachers had been worried about him. And they have spoken their concern. And he fell through the cracks. And we need to have small clusters of 230 kids that go to go through K through 12 together and that have consistent adults, these high schools with 2000 Kids moving around so much, not having neighbors that know you, that’s all very foreign to how humans have lived for most all of time, until the last hundred and 50 years of of the Industrial Revolution. And so we need that, you know, we need that kind of holding are students in small groups
in the Waldorf
school, the teacher stays with like students from k to eight. And that doesn’t always work out. But it’s just want people to know that there are other models besides 30 kids in a classroom and getting and changing every year. And we need to treat all students like graduate students, we need to always be listening for what deeply interests them, and feeding that with the best materials, and with experts and sticking them on real problems that they can help with. Because for most all of time, kids were part of what was useful. They knew that if they didn’t carry the water, they wouldn’t have water, or if they didn’t plant foods, they wouldn’t have food. And there was a direct connection between what they could contribute. That was abused, of course, with child labor. But there was a time when they were fully integrated into the real work of the world. And we need them now more than ever, because the real work of our world is to live in such a way that doesn’t destroy the gorgeous, unique planet that supports us. And the elders can’t do it by themselves. Because we don’t have a big enough box. A young kid, people think outside the box. And I think we need to constantly be exposing children to great stories and great science and great history, art history is so wonderful to learn about the impulse to create symbols and tell stories and share meanings. That’s always been in people. And so exposing them as is great and listening to what they come in with, to what brings them joy to what makes them feel useful, and harnessing children to do those real, the real callings and solving our problems.
Now, I want to go back a second to the Nelson Mandela story. And when I was good before graduating undergrad, I had an offer to go to Ghana with the Peace Corps and part of a culture and are not indoctrination. But just to prepare us to go over there was the thought that you could never you will never be alone. Like it’s culturally, in an embedded in the culture over there that you know, a person is not supposed to be alone. Even if you want to be alone, you can a person, another person from their culture will sit in the room on the other side of the room and not say anything. So you can be alone with their thoughts but that you’re physically not isolated. As I talked about 2020 being a year of reset, we see that the the global community there is more of a community based as they respond to what’s happening globally with the pandemic. And we’re seeing here in the states that that’s not happening. In fact, I’ve been asking podcast guests, you know, that live in different parts of a country? What’s it like? Because every every state’s response is different. And so from a US standpoint, how can we learn from those outside of our bubble of the states to have more of a community feel I say that a week, a week before an election?
Yeah, well, I’m so glad you had that experience of the village. And we have to be creative creativity is the thing that’s going to help cope with isolation that’s happened to COVID and I have attended several marches to honor black lives and everybody is socially distance and have masks on and, and yet, we’re here together to say that black lives matter. And we have to check in on each other and we can still bring each other food and I have a friend who’s helping her friend In the hospice process, and I think one of the things is American individuality. We have so many stories of the lone wolf who solves all the problems and we need different stories, we need different images. And that’s one of the reasons that I do collaborative art that is based on trees. Because all the leaves of a tree works, the whole tree. And all the leaves in that forest, work for the whole of the trees in the forest work for the whole forest. And one, one part of the forest doesn’t have enough nutrients, the whole forest and nutrients to that part. And I just learned yesterday that the ocean is dependent on the leaves, for iron, that all the leaves and all the forest, they take iron from the earth and put them in their leaf and the leaves fall back to the earth and they decompose. And the rains come, and the rains take that iron to the streams and the rivers into the oceans. And that iron is essential for the bacteria that makes a plankton that the whales and the fires in California, this fall are going to affect the whale migration in the spring, because there’s not going to be enough iron in the ocean. And nature is interdependent. It is it is life is exceedingly cooperative. And the competition that happens is never out of balance enough. So that life dies. Only now, our planet is in danger of many ecosystems dying, because the human dominance, the human competitive spirit of Western civilization, and the idea that we’re separate from the earth, and that we can extract from the earth and it doesn’t have any consequences, is killing our beloved planet. And it’s terrifying. And we need the youth to work with us to nurture this beautiful planet we’ve been blessed with. And yeah,
well, I wanna I mean, you said a mouthful, and I know that you, you have many years with Project drawdown. And so I do want to ask you, it was brought to my attention, I want to believe the end of March, or sometime in April, where there were a lot of videos and photos going circulating around the internet of wildlife in the middle of cities since the humans weren’t there and walk down. Yeah. And we’re in places like India, where there’s tons of pollution in the sky was clear as day. Yeah. And when you were talking about how natures and interdependent in humans feel separate from that, I want to get your take of no matter what we do if we’re here or not. The earth seems like it’s gonna get along just fine without us.
Yes, it will take some time. But the earth doesn’t need us and we need the earth. And I understand that only 4% of the animals on our planet now are wild, that the 96% of them are domesticated. And one thing we can do is to eat less meat. That’s one of project draw downs. To have a plant rich diet will help our planet and to, to decrease food waste, will help our planet enormously. So those are two things that everyone has the power to do. And plant gardens. Yes, go ahead.
I want to stay there for a second because it’s something I hate. I hate that every subject matter. Now it feels it’s a political hot potato, right. But in the previous administration, there was a whole push for plant based foods, a plant rich diet or what have you. And then in the current administration, it was like no kids want pizza. And we I saw just corporations kind of doing the same thing. I’ll use the golden arches, where their menu maybe 10 years ago had like 40 things on it. You can get apples with a sandwich, what have you, and then they were like, we’re not making enough money if we have to do all of that. So on the surface, it’s again words versus action, the word yet plant rich diet, you know, not eating as much animals or what have you. But if it’s affecting the bottom line, team that supersedes everything else.
Again, it’s a matter of story, we have a short term story of the bottom line, we have a longer term story of the ecosystem surviving, and the many ecosystems together surviving. And again, we’re seeing collapse, and we’re seeing weather systems that are devastating. And we need a longer term story. It’s related also to fossil fuels and fracking. And fracking has, given the United States some energy independence, because of its gas, all the natural gas, the process is very contributes to the parts per million of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere, which we need 350 parts per million of carbon dioxide to for human life to flourish, and it’s now at 419. And
short term, we may have
energy independence, what if we don’t transition as fast as possible to innovative green solutions like getting energy that way? plants get energy from photosynthesis, there are people that are working on designs that would do that, that would be very cheap, and very efficient, because then mimic nature, if we don’t make that transition, if the temperature rises five degrees, there can be a tipping point where we can’t go back. And so we have to have this long term story, we have to have the story of the next Senate, seven generations of children, as many Native American people understand that those are, who we have to think about when we make our decisions. So our short bottom line thinking is killing us. And there’s new business models like the SB V, corporations, SB Corporation social benefit, that have to assess their people, their profit their planet, the triple bottom line. And that’s growing, and I just hope I can grow fast enough. And there are ways of growing food using nature’s recycling processes. Because in nature, all waste is food. And in our inhuman culture that we have now, we make toxic waste. And that doesn’t happen in nature. So we need to understand how nature does it. I love the biomimicry Institute, which is based in Missoula, Montana, that has produced 230 different products that are very closely aligned to how nature does things like cement that is based on how coral takes co2 from the atmosphere and combines it with salt water and makes us incredible cement. And they have people that are working on making capturing energy through the photosynthesis process. And there’s several companies that are embedding and glass dye sensitive cells. And we can do this, we absolutely can do this. And we can do it with the kids who are dying to do something purposeful, who want to have purpose and mastery and autonomy and connection and we need them. And I just want to share about the book the flow of kindness, which isn’t my book, it’s actually written by Deontay Webster, when he was eight years old, in a historical fiction assignment in his third grade class. And he, his mother had gone to school in Louisiana at Gremlin University, and he was very taken by the experience of the Hurricane Katrina. So he wrote this story called The flood of kindness. And he put himself in the shoes of a child in Hurricane Katrina and thought of what would be one of the worst things that could happen. And he said it he thought to himself, it would be to lose his best friends. And so that’s what he wrote about. And in his story, he the main character whose name is Jaden cries at the age of losing Jessica Park, his dearest friends and his peers turned into a match grows. And the magic Rose is the container of kindness in New Orleans. But it disappears and turns gray because there’s no kindness because of all the fear, and the hatred and the anger that has been caused
by how the grown ups handled it. He didn’t say that.
And what Deontay has done in this book, as shown that community is the antidote to all these disasters, and I had the honor of helping him bring it to form as a book and to do the illustrations. And this eight year old, understood the tragedy of the hurricane, and the heartbreak of people losing their loved ones experiencing anger and chaos. And then the brightness of when the community all came together, and flooded each other with kindness. And that’s the model. And he made sure. And then, you know, ideas are in the air. And again, we need to listen to the children. Mm hmm.
That’s a wonderful story. And I wanted to your you had mentioned earlier about short sightedness versus looking at the big picture. And here in the news cycle, if it’s not shocking, right, it’s not getting the rating. So people turn off. And Katrina, for all intensive purposes wasn’t that long ago. But it’s, like aegeon history. And when you talk about the children and writing about grief of losing a friend, though, hopefully we won’t have the large numbers. But with the children going back to school, and there are around friends that may not be there the whole year. Yeah. What’s happening so outside of a community, or how could you if everyone’s on lockdown, or a version of lockdown, so that they’re keeping social distancing. But there is a lot of isolation, how do you get the community to come together, especially in a time like this
to creative projects is one way you go there, I don’t know if you’ve seen any of these choirs where they people are singing and credibly together. You know, they’re in Atlanta. I have an incredible colleague who I taught when she was in sixth grade in rural Virginia. And she’s now an entrepreneur and educator in Atlanta named Aretha white. And her son of cool all made a song together. And there was a director who did that, right. And I’m making collaborative murals now with people over zoom. And we’re sharing ideas and and painting them, and then adding the sending each other images to add. And we need to play. So again, one of the healthy things about being with kids is that they know how to play. And that’s how they learn. And it’s it’s repeating it over and doing the same thing over and over. It’s not playing boring. So if we take the model of children, we can play with each other via zoom. We can play with each other at a distance, we can go for walks, we can ride bicycles, we can not let COVID stop us, but help it be a limitation to inform our imagination. Because all humans are mortal, and limited. And we have to be creative within limitations. And that’s when you make a painting, you have a limited space. When you make a song you have a limited time. That’s what we humans do. And we have the limitation of COVID. And we have the limitation of time on our temperature planet rising. We’re going to be more creative than we have ever been and can ever imagine to be. That’s our job now. Every one of us
I really like that.
Yeah, I think that’s what Jesus meant when he said that a child shall lead them. Yeah. Children they love they experiment is that except people and they tell you what doesn’t work
in real time,
but they might not know to say how What does work, but they’ll scream and holler. Sure, sure.
So what we’re talking about the kids that are here, they there is there are some early studies that are saying that because of this global experience that we’re having, that the baby bust, we’re in the middle of a baby bust where children or parents are deciding not to have children, because of what’s currently happening. Do you foresee that being long term where there will be a huge gap with the population, or the cause we’re about to get into cold weather. So this is really interesting that COVID happened in the winter. And you know, but now we’re about to go through the second wave. So I was just wondering about keeping the human race going?
Well, that’s a really great question. My, I have two sons who are 37 and 34. And my 37 year old son just had a baby a month ago. And many I know so many people that just had a baby.
It’s just really interesting.
And the question of whether or not to bring children into a world that is, there’s no question is going to be tough. There’s no question that there’s going to be heating up. Because if we stopped what we’re doing right now, the temperature, the trajectory of all the co2 that we put in the atmosphere is still going to raise the temperature, at least a degree. And there’s going to be parts of the world that are not habitable, and there are going to be people who are, will have to migrate. And unless the human race comes together and says, We, nothing is more important than our children, that means that we have to work together to bring down co2 emissions, and to stop poisoning the water and the soil and work together. It’s hard to bring a child into a world when the human race has not made that decision. And I just I have to honor that. No. On the other hand, I made a thing intramural, which is a this collaborative mural project that I’ve been doing the last 20 years based on trees, where every mural envisions solutions and success to community challenges. a seven year old girl named Paige prints in Virginia, made a red one that was called the Blood Dragon singing state to prevent extinction. And what’s breaking her heart is the extinction of animals. And we made this neuro and the kids started, we everybody was adding an animal that they didn’t want to go extinct. And the kids started making baby animals. So they would make the mommy or daddy animals and the baby animal. Because they understood that if you want to prevent extinction, you’ve got to have a database. And none of the adults like like, you know, put that together. And I just pray for everyone who is raising children now. And for everyone who’s bringing who may be bringing children into the world.
they understand what sacred holy work it is that they get the port for it, that our country gives parental leave for a year like they do in Scandinavia, that we make pregnant women’s experience as least stressful as possible, that we support the first five years that we don’t just think about giving benefits to daycare, but we also think about giving benefits to people who are staying home with their children. That would be a child friendly society, we could do that. If you know we could give enough money so that kids can return back to school and how 15 kids that are in the room and and pay teachers as good as we pay doctors and we can change that’s what they do in Japan because they value their children. So that’s what I’m seeing and working for and have been there all my life.
Absolutely. Absolutely. I do want to ask you with that. You were talking about the my biggest takeaways or the the interconnectedness of things In the human race with nature, in the heart math, so just learning that there is a field around you, I think that’s huge to, to highlight that, because there does seem like a lot of isolation, the only connection to the outer world is through electronics. And so that that’s a slippery slope. And the other takeaway that I wanted to ask you was D, sometimes, if there’s nothing new under the sun, we go through cycles. And if there was a way of life that was preferred, once upon a time, that doesn’t exist, that you think we may go back to that, because right now, there are conversations of because of the fear of sending your kids to school or daycare, mothers are deciding to stay home. Now, if they stay home, then that child is getting that attention that they were missing when both parents are working. Do you think that that is part of the reset of going back to traditional values that once thrived in the community?
My hope is that, it’s great question. My hope is that raising children is valued like ever before. And I don’t want to go back to where women didn’t have any choice and men didn’t have any choice. And
unpaid work of women, to care for the children to care for the sick and to care for the elderly, was not noticed or acknowledged or honored. I love Andrew Yang’s idea of giving people social benefit credits, that we really as a society understand how important the work of being a raising children is, and that it is acknowledged in a way that decreases stress. It, you know, to be a single mom, raising kids or a single dad raising kids is very, very hard, and people need more support. And I want to go back to the village and the village, the way indigenous people had the village, which is the aunties and uncles helped to raise the children. And the everybody sang together and dance together and ate food together and told the stories, and cared for the children and cared for the elders, and the elders helped with the children. And and there was democracy, you know, and we and they and their village was rooted in knowing the land and I personally am heartbroken because I don’t belong to the land.
The way I want to
Sherry Mitchell who is a lawyer, and from the top squat tribe in Maine, her people have been on an island for 13,000 years. And their village is the word for land means
And I grew up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, these 30 years in rural Virginia. I felt like I belonged to that land. I went back to Pittsburgh to care for my father for the last four years of his life. Then I came to California, which has been an incredible training ground for me. But I don’t feel like I belong to the land. And now both of my sons are in Texas, and my grandchildren are in Texas, and we have all this freedom in our culture to travel. But I’m having a lot of heartbreak about not belonging to the land, and not having that village. But I do have another experience that everyone that I’ve taught, and everyone that I’ve has helped me on my path is part of my forest and that we nurture each other and now I’m getting to be one of the mother trees, the oldest, oldest trees
that we all stay connected, even if I am and that’s what COVID is taught to them. Even if I am 1000 miles away from my grandchild and 3000 miles away from many of the students I taught in Pittsburgh and Virginia. We’re still connected. I’m seeing their children and they send me pictures and I send them Pictures. And one of the students right after COVID hit a fifth grader made a drawing of the world. And you know how there’s this drawing of the world with everybody holding hands around it? Well, he made a drawing with COVID, holding hands around it with all these little COVID viruses.
We have, we have this
connection to everything alive and eerything that’s here now. And so I’m seeing it as, as my forest.
Now, with the connection, you’re part of a scene tree project as well.
Yes. So I’m, I founded that project in 1999, when an eight-year old girl asked what if the whole world made a painting together. And that resonated so deeply with my longing for all humans to work together. And I didn’t know how to do that. And I, somebody handed me the book, The Singing tree by Kate charity, which is a story of World War One, when her father was escaping the enemy crawling on his belly all night, in the mud, and feeling terrified. And everything had been destroyed by war. And when the dawn came, one tree, survived. And that tree had birds that aren’t normally together, singing the song that had never been heard before. And I look at the earth as a friggin tree of our galaxy. And I’ve used the structure of the tree on the earth in space to facilitate and help others facilitate about 88 murals. Each one on the subject that’s breaking the heart of the community. And you can see them at singing tree project.org. And every one of them is unique and beautiful. And it’s a synergy that happens when people work together. And we come up with innovative solutions to the problem. That’s, that’s the job of the mural.
And I think over 30 years, you found a lot of solutions. And as you mentioned, another big takeaway is what you think might not work. You don’t know what at the time like in iteration, it’ll change to ultimately work for the ultimate good for society. And you also mentioned the collaborative art that you’re doing over zoom, a lot is going on of what you focus on, expand. And if you’re focused on the well being of children and collaboration, it sounds like you’re definitely a resource that many people want to be a part of. So they don’t feel isolated in a time like this. So I like for you one more time to tell them how they can get in touch with you with the thinking tree project, your website, in addition to the flood of kindness.
Thank you so much. You can reach me at singing tree project.org and singing tree email@example.com. And I have a website which is Laurie dash Marshall COMM And my nonprofit is called unity to creativity.org. So those are all ways that you can reach me and we were entering a new world as Valerie Carr, the incredible author of no no’s. No one the stranger, the revolutionary love project, she says that the human race is in transition now giving birth. And this is the darkness of the womb, not the darkness of the tomb. And it’s very painful, but for the first time, we are envisioning an all over the world, a regenerative economy, and a democracy that includes everyone that respects everyone, and what a world we would live in. If all the gifts of everyone who’s who comes here can be used as opposed to living in this world with a story that only a few people are privileged to have their gifts be used. Mm
hmm. And in fulfilling that vision and getting more people in that message out there, I think that’s the way that it comes to fruition. And you are a beacon or resource to lead people in the right direction, direction to attain that and when That. Absolutely. With that, you’ve just included another episode of intrinsic motivation from a homeys perspective. This is Hamza and Laurie Marshall. It was a pleasure. Let’s definitely follow up and stay in touch.
Yes and thank you for bringing positive stories to the world. They’re so needed and so powerful. Thank you, Hamza. Thank you. Cheers. Bye bye