Working With Georgia Correctional Facilities

Working With The Correctional Facilities In Georgia (interview)

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all right good afternoon everybody this is intrinsic motivation from a homies perspective today is Wednesday September 27 and we will first I am Hamza and I am David and today we have one of our intention group members we have Isaac and Isaac has over 20 years experience working in the prison system and so I think our podcast is going to be a little bit different instead of just talking about the prison system we’re going going to approach it from and not only an intrinsic motivation from a homies perspective but also from an intenders standpoint so with that I like to go ahead and welcome you to the podcast Issac thanks for joining us oh thanks for having me pleasure to be here so when we talk about from a homeys perspective just from a when you look at it from an economic standpoint or you just look at statistical standpoint we African Americans are twelve and thirteen percent of the population but we are over-represented in the prison population and you were on the ground floor if you will so I’m sure you have plenty of tales of woe and also some patterns that you may have seen that anyone listening to this could pass along to the generation behind us so they don’t repeat those patterns how about that yeah so how did good and I just like to say that although we have that statistics I think that it’s it’s shown so much that the statistics even looks larger just that we’re always when you when they go into a prison is that the people of color they show the most as if they’re the only ones in there so you’re saying everything I heard a long time ago that television is more of telling lies to your vision and you’re saying that’s not the real deal with the real world population of representation when you get to the prison system right now did you work in the state or federal system I worked in a state system I was actual prison whereas not not in a jail okay so what’s the difference what happens between the jail state system and the federal system okay the jails are usually run by into the city or the county and whereas prisons are usually state-run or federally federally run so that’s the difference Thanks so let’s back up for a second how did you get into the system – the system um actually it was sort of flukish I needed a job and I heard about the opportunity to work there some of my friends said I wouldn’t be able to do that job but I went in for the application in and was high and that’s where it started in the 80s what was your role what was the position role that she had from you know I don’t know if it was the same thing the entire time you were in working there or did it just changed over time you different positions oh I took on I end a sitting position I went to juvenile prison um and it’s not really called a prison but it’s it’s the same thing but um and so I did that with guys from the age of who what we call a juvenile system your your sit-ins as an adult but because of your age the age is run from 12 to 20 I’ll put 20 at age 21 they are sent over to the adult prisons which is Department of Corrections and then they continue their sins depending on what type of crime they’ve committed but I did that for 30 years and because a lot of people knew me I got a chance to be a prison chaplain and then that I worked with in the adult system okay so what as a prison chaplain what exactly I mean maybe I don’t know that’s all I’ll ask it what exactly were you doing you just like counseling the prisoners or what exactly did you do is the chaplain well you counsel you deal with emotional situations you deal with the fact that when there is a death of an inmate family you set them up for if they are allowed to go to the funeral or allow them phone calls and in my actually I didn’t I didn’t have to carry that the duty out but that is one of the duties of the chaplain but also you counsel them while they’re going through such things if there’s somebody seriously ill in their family at the time even if they’re seriously ill which I I could deal with that one of the men inmates had stage four cancer and and dick comes some to that illness but I you know I was with them all the time almost up to the point that when he did pass on transition but because of the lateness of the hour wasn’t able to get to the hospital but do that plus you try to keep the momentum of of the prison that’s for the prisoners and those who the guards that are there to try to keep it steady you try to keep the temperature of the institution as much as possible at a at a peaceful state by just seeing sometimes you even have to see about the guards who might have been going through something and talk to them so that’s that’s what you do enjoy its time and then when we have some serious issues at times the chaplain has something to do with that but most prisons are run under our system more like the military what exactly we mean by that they’re run by the hierarchy and in the end the warden has all safe is though in the military the top ranking officer would have all all controls of their if he okay something it’s okay if he says no to something it’s a no and all the officers officers are given rank just like they’re given rank in the military and so they have to follow any officer that is above them and just like they do in the military and although the chaplain is not subject to that he is he does have to when an officer if he said I’m taking control of the floor or the ward then he has control in Chapter must yield his position hmm now let’s let’s go back a little bit Isaac you said you needed a job you work there for 30 years so you said the 80 was it during the crack epidemic or before then it was just before the crack epidemic it was we’ve always had the drug culture but there was just a lot of them especially in a I’m from New York State so the big thing was at that time the drugs were being sold and the reason I actually got physicians and people like me was the fact that drug dealers realized that if they could get young people to sell from them for them that they were not going to do the time that they were going to do so they can to recruit the younger generation and because in New York State if you got especially we got caught with heroin it was a life sentence with an amount of heroin that was what we called the Rockefeller law and because of a young man named escapes him right now who was young and was out in the streets committed a brutal murder then New York State a little bit in the end of the 70s came up with the juvenile defender law which allowed them to sentence the young people with the same sentence says that there is negated adults and so then there was we had a max what we call all that would be this senior juvenile corrections and then you would have like a minimum that was with her too and depending on what type of crime it was you were sentenced to go to those two who were in what max then you had to it was the same rules as in prison and so guys would come there and you could be 12 years old again up to 20 years old and and be there and have and they could have life imprisonment so that would that was it in the beginning and as times change and we didn’t run into the crack kids selling we just began to increase increase their first we were doing a lot of max do without places then they started to freeze in the late 90s so we it was a big but I think in the late 90s who began to see a change in the behaviors of inmates I mean you always have your hardcore and you have the guys who were they were seized and they were drug dealers but a lot of them were because of the social economic situation and then there was the hardcore guy who was is out there to make money he was he was a hardcore crime it’s the best way I can explain but then we begin to see a big change I think you begin to see the guys young guys coming in and they had mood disorders and you know then we begin to get the terms like HD HD and eighty D those terms and then we we knew that some were dealing with schizophrenia and stuff of those and that nature you begin to see that not only in the end the juvenile prisons but you get to see a arise and what they call the Mental Hygiene prisons Mental Hygiene prisons yeah they’re guys who are when people are in imprisonment they can’t cope because they began to give out medications for depression schizophrenia and all those in that family and when they began when you’re in prison you elect to take your meds or not take your meds their meds are not forced on you and the prison system but in a mental hygiene system once of inmate is switched over to that system he loses his right somewhat to choose to take meds or not and take men you know this is behavior off the meds is such that you can adhere to the rules of the facility they they can force Medicaid legally so I think the the facility said for 30 years you’re doing this were you at the same place for the 30 years or did you did a movie around well I was fortunate to be at the same facilities my whole term Wow okay so with I know those classifications and maybe just cuz I just watch the scene on TV so he can maybe clear this up you know there’s like Supermax medium security low security whatever what type of facility was that where you were at I with my juveniles I was in a max and then that max we didn’t change facilities but our classification change and all all the guys were max were shipped out but and with the adults I was in a a max but I was in a max which was for the group which was a Mental Hygiene max little hygiene max okay and max simply just means you know if you’re going to a mass facilities because of the crime that you committed was a real violent crime or they’re just simply you’re just a violent person and you just that’s where you were as opposed to you know some kind of white-collar crime you may be you’ll go to a medium-security is that kind of how it works depending on the type of crime you’ve done yeah that’s how it how it works usually gives its um alerter cases are and a max or violent crime when you you’re committing a robbery and you have a weapon and but not only did you you might have fired the weapon nobody was killed but you may have injured somebody at that major you look you can go to a max and again if you’re a inmate that is very troubled or you you have a lot of problems everywhere you go and that happens not necessarily that you’re bad person but you seem to run into problems wherever you go you can be good begin to be pushed into a max I just say now the Supermax and it’s relegated a lot of times for people with specialized crimes and those those vary according to how the court adjudicate you okay yeah the reason is that the reason I ask and I remember when the Wesley Snipes got convicted you know this uh his tax stuff and he had to be like I don’t know 18 months or whatever it was but I was reading some of the details and I’m like diamond the place where he was going to like Club Med I like you know it was like a barracks type thing you know so there’s a whole group and you could it was really light security er it’s a minimum security facility to practically just walk off and leave if you wanted to but I just remember reading the details I’m like wow I guess if I commit a crime I want to go to that place so I didn’t know what what determined obviously I guess it’s the type of crime and if you’re a non violent type crime maybe you just go to a non violent type facility if there’s such a thing but there is there is preferences and when you’re a Wesley type person there is um there is where you get privileged yeah voices and things are are done if you you see some of the young stars winded jail then they they said like oh they couldn’t they couldn’t handle the pressure and a judge released them your everyday person on the street would never get released because they were like I was saying there are people sometimes have mental issues while they’re incarcerated they go to a mental hygiene place it’s a prison they don’t get to go home and that that’s America okay and and what our society does and how we label people and do things when you know you guys would talk what we talked about this long time ago we talked about this stuff that causes people to do crime and one of the things that and in my years of police I work when we’re going to talk about a juvenile prison you’re like a mentor even though you’re a guard because you take them to school that’s one thing that you have school and regular prisons but and then juvenile prison their mandate to go to school because some of them are under 16 and law said that you have to be in school so we run a school and all that and so we take them to school if they’re sick take them to the doctor so we are basically like their parent I’ll go when they go they have to be shackled and harnessed and all like any other prison and but I was saying earlier about the fact that they were in the late 90s you began to see them giving out medication and because of HD HD and a DD and other psychological problems that in kids God and their there are reasons sometimes why people commit crimes that are little because of themselves and some because of just the other day was a thing about a kids behavior I saw in the news in school and the school officer had to restrain him because the sudden impulses been in the way that we restructuring and that that can happen on on the street when kid meets a police officer his behavior can be impulsive and caused him to do some things that normally kids wouldn’t do so within the 30 years you know you’ve seen a lot of waves or trends and you said in the late 90s that there were a growth in the Mental Hygiene prisons would you say that there was a correlation between the crack epidemic and now these are the children that were you know less the fend for themselves and now they’re in the system where they’re repeating a pattern of the generation before them true very true drug issues have some things to do with it and also the nutrition of of our society today has had some things to do with it because you you will you will see some some of the same patterns from kids who don’t have a drug history but they’re coming out they have HD HD and 8dd and they have certain psychological problems and sometimes I think it’s it’s got to do with some of the preservatives that happen now this is a personal thing I have no data to save that but I think that you know I was born in a baby boomer and I just did not see the things that you see in the schools and jail systems as I do today it’s it’s got to be more than just drugs and that has a major problem but there’s there’s some things that are happening I was just watching a documentary the other day and they were showing in Chicago some of the young kids and how there’s a there’s a lot of the ADHD and some of that is because of the drugs but they were saying that it also has to do with other particulars that are happening in our society and some of the stuff we watch on TV the technology that goes forth because one of the things like talking to kids who have committed murder to them in the way that they talked about it there was no reality to the fact that they had taken their life and I often wonder why is that how easily when I talked to I have some relatives were in the military and when you ask them about the war and did they take a life very hesitant taught that subject these kids talk about that as if it was nothing mmm-hmm get this thing that’s that just thing and I don’t have to agree with that could I have caught the veterans it’s in my lifetime and I’ve kind of specifically asked that question this is when I was a lot younger and they were very hesitant to talk about that they weren’t real comfortable but the fact that they did have you know took lies and so they hear you say that they’re real comfortable just to talk about it yeah that’s interesting yeah what do you think about the development of the brain for that though because if you look at let’s say Vietnam or what have you most of the people that had gone had finished high school for the most part so you know they had their full childhood so you and you’re talking about in the juvenile prison they’re going in at 12 so if you’ve been there for thirty years and you see someone with a life sentence they may potentially have that PTSD later in life do you think that that’s true that that’s part of it but insensitivity and think of your own yourself when you were your kid if you saw something or a cat get hit by a car whatever there was it bothered you in such ways I’m not saying that these kids do not have some because we have those kids who are wetting the bed covered things but to talk about it in such a easy manner yeah I got to body that’s how they talk about I got to body and ah it’s and and another thing will be that sometimes a person will body somebody and when we cover our body I know I’m using straight legs that means it’s really me okay um that because of maybe they have two different gang affiliations that could have been somebody and I know several times that those two people grew up together they grew up in the same project but they were on two sides of the gang war and so took of he took somebody he knew longer than he was in the gang took their life as if it was nothing and talked about it as if it was nothing now just because somebody when the cops come around and they actually did you see what happens they deny does not mean that you know when they’re when they’re locked up and you can you’ll see this often that they are talk about it so so readily that sometimes is even used against them in the court of law you know and and as Dave was saying veterans although they were doing it for a very good reason they they still have a problem even today I was watching a little while ago when they were talking to some of the World War two veterans they have a hard time yet today talking about some of the things that they do they did and again there is a disconnect and and some of it is because of chemical dependencies and some of it is because I believe that there is deficiencies and the foods that we that that cause those things and it’s it’s really sad I had a woman plant I had a friend about two years ago she was distraught now her kid was he was gone to a private school so but it goes to what your second point was he was about to get kicked out and you know the top school here in Georgia and you know she tried everything and they were like you need to change his diet and they took all the gluten out of his diet all the sugar and everything and he became like a model citizen overnight Wow yeah we you know you guys talking about the cost the cost of incarcerating people and we we do it and a lot of times you argue about the cost but yet we won’t try other things that could eliminate some of these problems because we say it’s too expensive but yet we wish good millions on incarceration yeah you open up a can of worms on that one is it because I’d have to ask you I mean you work with the state prison but in the late 80s and early 90s was the introduction of the private prisons and that growth market so that caught the incarceration was negligible because you had to keep that they were losing money of those that those facilities weren’t filled and I know Obama had some things in place to kind of change that and the nude president is trying to take that back so that that’s it’s a form of business and you get very cheap labor for it so you know it doesn’t matter what your background is as long as you’re filling that both private systems okay and a lot of that again to that is that we don’t want like these kids with these these problems with hdhd and and those such problems of that and we talk about our chairs with compression and other mental issues but when they get into the school system we try to push that aside because we say we don’t want to pay we don’t want to pay at that level but like you say even though private prisons are there we as taxpayers are still paying cops maybe last though we we feel but like you say they’re not full those things would go out of business and so that that speaks to another issue know who have you back on that one the coming is not even funny but look at but I was a chaplain let me ask you so I know the difference and I remember adolescents even those many moons ago but you know how you have to have like an appearance you have to keep up appearances in front of your friends so if you’re in there it’s kind of I remember there was some school of thought back then of oh yeah I did get arrested right like oh they went to juvie and so you got to be tough amongst like you know your peers but when they came to did you see like they may come to you with the hard shell but over time that you’re able to crack that sell yeah as long as they were hardcore and in the hardcore kit is a small number gift giving again the right we had programs and I wanted to bring this up we had a program back in it in the mid 80s well what we did was we took the hardcore guy we split him up into four groups and one was your aggressive kid you had and then you had your gay guy who was he was trying to be hardcore but he really wasn’t hard Cory had get some kind of issues so they went to a different group but I I was assigned to the hardcore guys the guys who would fight in a minute there’s the real tough guy and when it came out of all the we call them cottages back in those days we did every month they would do a report of restraints and fights and I was a hardcore guys we had the less restraint and we had the last fight because guys knew the guidance it’s across the table from him was just as tough as he was and had just as much to lose that they fought and because of it we had some great group interventions and a lot of times your thug as everybody calls him is a pretty intelligent guy and so when we began to sit down and we began to interact with those guys we got a lot of things accomplished and and but one of the things in it like when you talk about trends there are words that we were not allowed to use back in the day because the correction was everybody’s trying to free will and these certain things to a point but kids like structure and that’s even today I believe that and so but also when you structured somebody especially when you talk about hardcore people they want to know that you can control once you set those parameters you can have a normal running Liuba guys who are willing and guys got into school they got or if they had other things that they were interested they began to pursue those things with with a hunger that was was great I watched a guy who came in now I say that guys were thugs are are intelligent but this guy first could not read but he went from not reading and in like eight months it was Rhema eighth grade level tremendously but because he said to us he had never been in school hmm because he said he went to school I guess he was in Kenny guard but for having said he was never in school he said he went to school and it’s the lower grade and the guys were ducking out and in mom and I’m never know he wasn’t going to school and he’d yes after why he did never went to school and his very smart kid unfortunately for him he was one of those who had a life sentence on so when we had him and he transitioned from our place go to prison but she was one of the best image that we had in the facility but he had structure and and all those guys like I said they had to go to school and they had to sit down in class and we were there to make sure that they did that so they began to get you know educated and they saw that there was more to life than what was shown to them not something to if you don’t know there’s opportunities if you don’t know that the world is bigger than your block then you don’t have anything reach it yeah so I was going to ask but I think I got the answer so the facility you are consent facility so it was always from 12 to 20 the age group that you worked with and after that if they had like a life sentence or a long term they would go to another ‘silly for adults correct right okay because I was going to ask well thirty years I was wondering if there was anyone that we know was got there throughout the time that you started working and you know was there the whole thirty years and you know I imagine over that course of time relationships could somewhat degree get forged and whatnot but obviously you had like a eight year window so there was probably people you were with for eight years and then they moved on to the next facility have a general one day when I went to the adult prison I ran into those guys oh dude oh yeah there was there was a gap but because one ended settings you know this prison life is just like guys like when you go to prison and when you go to incarcerate at 12 years old the only world you know is a prison so one thing about metal Heights there are guys who have life they’re never going to see the outside they use Mental Hygiene as a place for vacation they’re in they’re in a they’re in a prison and they’ve been there say they’ve been there 15 years ever have been outside those walls there they will sometimes sometimes they already have a legitimate problem and they we use that problem get themselves evaluated at a mental hygiene place and they get the lead prison and come back and then in that case I met a few guys who who knew me from where I used to work but also my wife and I used to go to other prisons sub and I could walk to a heart and I would hear my name called so it lets you know that if you mentor me you make a you tap in guys never forget even when they become adults yeah so did you did you ever get to a point where I imagine you probably could you did that what I and then they came in you were like okay I know that he’s just going to be back he’s going to be in and out or you know I think you might have a chance when he gets out to go to go the right way and not come back yeah you can make that assessment I guess say when somebody’s hardcore especially the gangbangers when our core and all things the life they know is the game and then and so you can assess that from some guys and some guys you realize that because of immaturity and because of where they come from they didn’t know any better and you open up a window and and they begin to like I say some of these guys they began to because they had to go to school and they to use and and technology really opened up some things for some guys when they could be jump on a computer and began to see something now and so you could see in them that there was more when a guy knows me you see a guy and forgive me but he knows he’s a geek he gets on a computer when he gets into a computer class and and it comes alive he can he can go and surf and do all those things and then sometimes they can open up the computer and never been to a class and work on it and it opens something up to for him and see some of the guys who some guys may not have life and when you know sentences guy may come in and he me when he comes in maybe he’s um he’s 15 and he’s got seven to fifteen which means after seven years you can come out of prison and and that guy he makes it I have I do have some people who call me from time to time who were in prison and now out and are saying hey I’m still out so it happens are and in between but it does happen what about what about that I’m just you know I’ve always wondered this because the explosion of like technology like say over the past 20 years people you know getting out like today and who’ve been like no lockup for maybe 20 years or longer and are just overwhelmed by the speed of life compared to the speed you know where they were at when they were incarcerated and it just gets overwhelming and they find themselves maybe whether they’re conscious of it or not doing community just so they could go back in because that was a place where they could deal and they know everything what’s coming and the world is just so fast and you know wait how we apply for jobs everything’s online now on this stand the other so the did you ever see that where you just figured a person was like really scared to get relief they were scared to go out into the world because it was just so much unknown and they’ve been and so much change and they just been locked up for so long yeah I tell you as a chaplain again when I tell you that the correction Department is like the military very slow to change we we wanted to implement programs pre-release programs that got people ready for that change because there is a lot of that because like I say some people only know prison prison is is like the real world to them and so they don’t want to get released there been some guys who are supposed to they were they were ill and they they asked for requesting request of the governor to stay in prison to die because they were dying but they were there was time for them to be released and some got permission to stay and others had to go out but it is that is a very real thing that you’re talking about and I’ve known guys in prison who have never seen a cell phone and they they looked and said wow and they really didn’t know what they were going to do because when they went in none of this technology was there I mean there’s computers in prison they are computer classes and stuff like that but every inmate does not have them it’s not available to them because you have to just like it’s like going to college you have to sign up for the class and you have to get permission and then there’s only so many people who can go to the class so you know and you’re in a prison where there’s like 2,000 inmates sometimes even more you know the class is still up real fast and everybody doesn’t get that so they’re guys who’s who stayed technically logically in the dark hmm that happened when the Obama was leaving office he had some pardons because there was a large number of inmates that were arrested on marijuana charges right and in there for extensive period of time versus people for harder drugs and because they were in the system for so long they they just it was you know from as an outsider it was just really hard to digest that they wanted to stay in there but you had mentioned something where people would call you and they were out for a number of years is there was there ever a program where I don’t want to say graduates but you know people did their time and then they became a functioning member of society where they ever invited back to speak to the inmates that were in there well because it’s it’s taboo you’re you’re a lot of times some sometimes it happens but there’s a lot of red tape to get that to happen and you know there are some programs sort of like the scared a reverse of the scared straight program where they have people that come in and but usually not a prison they’ve been in so now you prisoners are very skeptical and you know that would be the ideal thing to have somebody who’s gotten out who is in that prison and to come back you see it on news rarely but because that person had done something very very unique that happens for him but it doesn’t again because the prison system is very stunts and again the warden has carte blanche to what can go on in his prison and he he or she holds on to that with an iron fist and so it you know it’s it’s like breaking down certain walls and and some of it is necessary don’t get me wrong some of the things in the systems that they have in prison are very necessary especially when it comes with security they’re very necessary you know I’ve been here in a and I hear things and I’m like wow I don’t know how that happens but um there you know we were we were trained you know you follow the rules when you do stuff when you do searches when you are when you do when you hook somebody up when I talk about hooking up that’s putting cuffs and shackles on a person you follow the rules and in there like I’m very anal about my keys even to the day you make sure you always have your key in your radio those are things that you you do when you’re in a prison you you it’s like the Bible you just do yeah and when they that’s violate it to me and for a lot of people who have worked in there it’s like how could you even have done that so that’s what I say that just to say that there are certain things that are very hard to change in the prison system because uh the mindset is is is so antiquated you you know you have a it’s like trying to climb Mount Everest without any gear so it’s one of those things when you when you get in there I don’t think it’s impossible but it’s there’s a lot to have to go so one other thing while I’m on my little pulpit but when you when you look at the government they either go all the way to the right all the way to the left they have a hard time going in the middle I hope you got that yeah oh no definitely we’re almost out of time but I do want to commend you Isaac because as you mentioned at the beginning of the podcast you mentioned that it starts out as it we always call it God winks that was one of our pot or podcasts early on where you just needed a job and you wound up staying there for 30 years so you know there are some things out that you that were uphill battles as you mentioned and you got your scars and there are some things that that you work through and I think in closing for someone that’s listening to this I’d like to hear from you what kept you there for the thirty years because you obviously had an impact and something was working that would keep you in that position okay when you say I’m sorry glad that’s a good question well one of the things when you said a god wing sometimes you don’t know what you call to and there are certain things that people have to be called to not because of a paycheck but because when you’re dealing with human beings and different personalities and stuff you have to be flexible you have to care although you you want to do the job right you have to care about both the job and you have to care about the individual that you are caretaker of and that’s the word caretaker up and so as I got into it and then remember I’m dealing with people from the ages of 12 to 20 and and I found and then again you made a point about the statistics a lot of them look like me and it was a chance to make a difference and I believe that in the 30 years that I did and juvenile corrections and and 20-plus that I did in and adult corrections I made a difference and that matter because I could have took some other promotions and didn’t take it because being on the ground floor was that important to me to be able to take sunlight and mold them and when you and when you work in and certain human service fields you got to know that the success rate is very small but you can’t be deterred by that it’s and you have to know how to come to grips with that fact but if you just won one he’s done a lot and real quick Isaac the 30 years that was you’re dealing with a male male inmates right well nope I had females on the facility that we worked at we had a one side with males in one side even in the prison both I was fortunately that I got to deal with both young ladies as well as women and in the adult prison I got to as a clergy go ahead and and speak to them and I was one thing we need to say about that is today your female inmate has as the most difficulty because the female deals with more emotional stuff than the male inmate does and that makes them a lot more difficult inmate to deal with and a female may come in and she may have children or something at her home and she’s there there’s all kinds of things that you deal with the same thing with the young ladies and and trying to and you have to have that balance when you deal with the young ladies that sort of like a father figure and you try to make sure that they don’t reverse that into making you something that they attached to because they will really quickly Wow I mean this was eye-opening I definitely learned a lot this hour thanks for giving us a peek into your world Isaac and Isaac was telling us about the prison system and the past 30 years and definitely made an impact he definitely stayed there and hopefully there’s some nuggets for those that do listen to this of things of deterrence and also of being of service to your fellow man I think you covered both aspects greatly we really appreciate you on this podcast of it this is intrinsic motivation from a homies perspective this is Hamza and I’m David and we appreciate the time Isaac and we look forward to speaking with you soon all right thank you so much for having me thank you Peggy’s on yeah I can hang up you [Music]